Piano Forum



 Remembering the great Maurizio Pollini
Legendary pianist Maurizio Pollini defined modern piano playing through a combination of virtuosity of the highest degree, a complete sense of musical purpose and commitment that works in complete control of the virtuosity. His passing was announced by Milan’s La Scala opera house on March 23. Read more >>
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Topic: Chopin '.'  (Read 2688 times)

Offline richterfan1

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 136
Chopin '.'
on: April 04, 2011, 06:02:59 AM
Hi People, i know this is kinda stupid and strange question,  :-\ but

Whats hARDER oP.10 nO.1, OR 4TH BALLADE  ;D :-[ :-X
Logged
Sign up for a Piano Street membership to download this piano score.
Sign up for FREE! >>
Sign up for a Piano Street membership to download this piano score.
Sign up for FREE! >>

Offline djealnla

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 518
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 06:11:13 AM
The 4th Ballade.
Logged

Offline richterfan1

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 136
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 07:19:35 AM
I agree
Logged

Offline richterfan1

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 136
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 08:29:46 AM









My favorite is Ashkenazys interpretation, Richter is attractive too, and Martha is perfect!
Logged

Offline emilye

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 76
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 12:06:36 PM
In my opinion musically - op. 52 but technically op. 10 no 1
Logged
Now playing:
Prokofiev - Sonate in d-minor op. 14
Bach/Busoni - Chaccone in d-minor
Bach - II Partita in c-minor
F. Chopin - Barcarole in F sharp major, Op. 60
                Ballade in f-minor

Offline pianisten1989

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1515
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 02:28:29 PM
Oh comeon! You really can't compare op 10/1 with the forth ballade!
Logged

Offline emilye

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 76
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 03:06:57 PM
I play 4 ballade and what can I say? It isn't harder piece than etude (technically). Of course I agree we shouldn't compare op.10/1 with the 4 ballade but... if you give e.g. your friend about 4 months to prepare 4 ballade I can say that it is possible, but op. 10/1 ... I don't think so.
Logged
Now playing:
Prokofiev - Sonate in d-minor op. 14
Bach/Busoni - Chaccone in d-minor
Bach - II Partita in c-minor
F. Chopin - Barcarole in F sharp major, Op. 60
                Ballade in f-minor

Offline richterfan1

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 136
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 07:33:47 PM
Quote from: emilye on April 04, 2011, 03:06:57 PM
I play 4 ballade and what can I say? It isn't harder piece than etude (technically). Of course I agree we shouldn't compare op.10/1 with the 4 ballade but... if you give e.g. your friend about 4 months to prepare 4 ballade I can say that it is possible, but op. 10/1 ... I don't think so.

hmmm, 4th ballade have really "nasty" coda
Logged

Offline emilye

  • PS Silver Member
  • Jr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 76
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 07:39:06 PM
etude no. 1 is complete nasty :)
Logged
Now playing:
Prokofiev - Sonate in d-minor op. 14
Bach/Busoni - Chaccone in d-minor
Bach - II Partita in c-minor
F. Chopin - Barcarole in F sharp major, Op. 60
                Ballade in f-minor

Offline nataliethepianist

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 138
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 01:21:24 AM
I think the ballade would be a hard piece to really nail and perfect, although the etude has so much technique behind, how could I compare them and declare one a winner!
Logged

Offline nanabush

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2081
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 03:20:29 AM
The etude has one technique!!  I've been learning the Op 10 #1 this year, and it is one of the ultimate pieces of muscle memory.  For those who are familiar with it, the second F major sweep (with the A in the bass) is one of the nastiest things at first, but once you are used to it, your hand will form itself to it as it would a regular four note chord.

I have a long reach (I can play the opening arpeggio figure as a solid chord: CGCE), and that may have some influence, but the etude really has the one difficulty of playing compound arpeggios.

The ballade has some arpeggios that are about as tough as well as about a dozen other insane technical demands.  I think the people who say the etude is harder are the people who have tried the first bar and gave up after 2 minutes.

The etude is about 5 times shorter than the Ballade, has extremely simple dynamics and pedaling (comparatively), and doesn't have brand new material coming up pages and pages into the piece.

As mentioned earlier, it is insane to even compare the two on difficulty.
Logged
Interested in discussing:

-Prokofiev Toccata
-Scriabin Sonata 2

Offline richterfan1

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 136
Re: Chopin '.'
Reply #11 on: April 08, 2011, 12:08:29 PM
yes, know that chord, its CFCF WITH A in th bass, when i 1st time saw it, i was like "im never gonna do this 1" but i did it, i can play it well now :)
Logged
Pages: [1]   Go Up
For more information about this topic, click search below!
 

Logo light pianostreet.com - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts.

Subscribe for unlimited access

Sign up

Follow us

Piano Street Digicert