Please help with Tie's (Very confused)

[grimicyn]

I am learning Chopin's Nocturne Op 72 No. 1

On the 2nd page and first bar there is a slur across three D notes (Ex 1). I played them but after listening to some recordings and players on youtube they are NOT playing these notes. They are treating them as ties. I thought a tie was only between TWO of the same note? Two bars later the same exact slur is spread across five A notes (Ex 2) but they are all played and NOT tied.

I do not see a difference between these two and this is very frustrating/confusing. How does one know when to tie and slur? I really want to get this settled before learning anymore of the piece. Thank you for any help.

Ex 1 from 55 -58 RH -

Ex 2 starts at 1:01-

[quantum]

To be clear:  
Ex 1 is Bar 14, RH top voice.  
Ex 2 is Bar 15-17 and similar RH top voice.  

Bar 14.  The D's are tied.  They are all the same note, and they are adjacent notes in the same voice.  You can have chains of tied notes such as this.  Probable reason for doing this is to clarify the relationship of each D with the changing LH harmony.  

Bar 15-17. You should see a dot under each note, in addition to the slur.  This indicates portato - a type of articulation.  Get your teacher to demonstrate the differences in touch and sound.  It is not a tie even though they are the same adjacent notes.  


What edition are you using?  Paderewski edition clears up some of these notational conventions.  

[grimicyn]

Quantum - Thank you for the reply! I have been busy and haven't had a chance to respond. You are correct, those are the bars I am talking about. There are no dots and I printed it from a site that I cannot recall. It says tenuto above the bar though where you asked about dots.

I thought I had this figured out until  now. I find this so confusing. I am self taught so that is a no go on the teacher, ha.

How does one know when they are slurs or when they are supposed to be ties? I thought a tie is when they show the line between to identical notes. So this is an exception, are there others? Simple question but very hard to answer it seems.