Liszt's Mazeppa Technique

[super_ardua]

Looking through my book,  I am perplexed at how people get the 2-4 2-4 thirds on the middle stave to the speed I regularly hear on recordings.

What sort of action is it?  Is it a bouncing action or a sliding action? Does the wrist or arm move or both?

[maxy]

Some people cheat...  You can never really believe what they do in recordings...
but the point of 2-4/2-4 is to get a "chunky" feel, non legato.  It forces the use of the arms...

[super_ardua]

Hmmm....

I wonder how Cziffra gets them to that speed that he plays at(edit: without cheating).

[maxy]

Cziffra is not human...

[ted]

It seems to me that the same non-legato effect (matter of opinion whether it sounds better) can be produced with ordinary, sensible fingering. For me the piece requires enough concentration as it is without adding superfluous difficulties.

[pianiststrongbad]

the 2-4 fingering will be the best.  It forces you to play these notes staccato.  And just for the record, I agree with Maxy- Cziffra has supernatural powers, that one can't even dream of attaining.  

[maxy]

Superfluous difficulty...
2-4/1-3  will probably come from a wrist action...
2-4/2-4 more of an elbow action
wrist action= expressive
elbow action= mechanical

Liszt specified 2-4/2-4... why not follow his advice.

But then, it is like the first mvt of the Appassionata, some people play the "climax" with 2 hands...

The obsession of getting "note perfect" performances: if you can't get it right the way it is writen, why not make it easier?  It is perfectly fine, but  I do find it is a bit sad.  But then, nobody sees what really happens while listening to a recording.

oh well! I guess I answered the initial question!  
Work on muted jumps! Move one hand at a time!