Swearing in Forums

[pianoplayjl]

Once again I read over many different posts and I came across inappropriate slogans, not to mention my posts. So just to make the Forum a cleaner place, is it possible to censor the words? I just think it is a flaw. thx.

JL

[perfect_pitch]

The site already censors derogatory or offensive words... see!

HOLY CRAP - It doesn't... never mind.   

[pianoplayjl]

No I htink 'crap' is fine. I'm talking about the more severe swear words like the f word and the s word which I think is inappropriate.

[pianoplayjl]

I noticed when I changed my signature there was a b word in it. When I had a look there it said 'pregnant dog'. Why can't there be a substitute for S*#$ and other profanities?

[thalbergmad]

I'm talking about the more severe swear words like the f word and the s word which I think is inappropriate.

Yeh, Finnissy and Schumann are inappropriate.

Thal

[ahinton]

Yeh, Finnissy and Schumann are inappropriate.

Very droll, I'm sure. Your deprecation of both composers is well known here but, just out of interest, are there any works by either that you really do care for?

Best,

Alistair

[pianoplayjl]

Yeh, Finnissy and Schumann are inappropriate.

Thal

There is no censor for Schumann nor finnissy.

Surely no one heeds the forum rules about the swear part but me.

JL

[werq34ac]

The only problem I have with swearing is when it is excessive. It's part of language right? Plus there's a lot of meaning in those words. The problem occurs when it is used excessively to the point that they lose their meaning while at the same time one comes across as a crude person.

I mean there are few words that can replace pregnant dog without losing meaning.

[pianoplayjl]

The only problem I have with swearing is when it is excessive. It's part of language right? Plus there's a lot of meaning in those words. The problem occurs when it is used excessively to the point that they lose their meaning while at the same time one comes across as a crude person.

I mean there are few words that can replace pregnant dog without losing meaning.

Exactly. If swearing can't be prevented then it should be limited and words should be replaced by synonyms.

Very droll, I'm sure. Your deprecation of both composers is well known here but, just out of interest, are there any works by either that you really do care for?

Best,

Alistair

I don't think so.....

JL

[perfect_pitch]

No I htink 'crap' is fine. I'm talking about the more severe swear words like the f word and the s word which I think is inappropriate.

Yeah - Crap is fine... what I had originally typed just to try and prove my point about the swearing being censored wasn't...

And it wasn't censored, so I edited it and put - Holy crap, it doesn't instead.   

[werq34ac]

Exactly. If swearing can't be prevented then it should be limited and words should be replaced by synonyms.

JL

You missed my point. I have no problem with swearing until these words are used unnecessarily. I mean how else would you call a complaining whiny jerk who's a girl? B!tch fits perfectly.

[pianoplayjl]

Ain't that called name calling?

Yeah - Crap is fine... what I had originally typed just to try and prove my point about the swearing being censored wasn't...

And it wasn't censored, so I edited it and put - Holy crap, it doesn't instead.   

Has anyone actually tried putting in the F word without censoring the letters? Unless I'm wrong the B word is the only word so far that is automatically replaced by an alternative in PS.

JL

[ahinton]

I don't think so.....

Maybe you don't - and maybe you'd be correct - but don't you think it would have be a good idea for Thal to speak for himself first?

Best,

Alistair

[keyboardclass]

You missed my point. I have no problem with swearing until these words are used unnecessarily. I mean how else would you call a complaining whiny jerk who's a girl? B!tch fits perfectly.

I prefer the word Bozo myself.

[pianoplayjl]

I prefer the word Bozo myself.

I prefer chicken. 

[perfect_pitch]

There are a few that aren't censored.

[pianoplayjl]

I remembered a while before I joined I typed in the F word for fun and yielded 2-3? results. It appears to me that many people who use the F word censor the word but not the S word, where many add e to the end.

JL

[werq34ac]

I prefer the word Bozo myself.

While both are derogatory, Bozo has a much different connotation. Bozo has something to do with lack of intelligence and bit of craziness while b!tch has to do with how mean and whiny the person (generally feminine) is while having nothing to do with intelligence.

I prefer chicken. 

Chicken on the other hand has to do with cowardly behavior and lack of bravery to do something. Personally I don't like this word because it's usually something children use to call some smart kid who decides not to do something stupid.

Point being words have different connotation and this thread yet has to find a word to replace b!tch.

[pianoplayjl]

While both are derogatory, Bozo has a much different connotation. Bozo has something to do with lack of intelligence and bit of craziness while b!tch has to do with how mean and whiny the person (generally feminine) is while having nothing to do with intelligence.

Chicken on the other hand has to do with cowardly behavior and lack of bravery to do something. Personally I don't like this word because it's usually something children use to call some smart kid who decides not to do something stupid.

Point being words have different connotation and this thread yet has to find a word to replace b!tch.

It doesn't really matter what words are used as long as those words are kept to a minimum. Besides perhaps the word I use instead of B*$() have different meaning when spoken in another lingo.

JL

[nyiregyhazi]

I prefer the word Bozo myself.

So, the Americanisation of Britain is complete. Or do you prefer to spell it Americanization?

[keyboardclass]

Bozo as in Bozo the Clown, Bozo!

[nyiregyhazi]

Bozo as in Bozo the Clown, Bozo!

Yes, bozo- as in the American insult and as in the American TV series Bozo the Clown (which the term, however, predates). Why don't you go the whole hog and start calling everyone a "fricking schmuck"?

[werq34ac]

Yes, bozo- as in the American insult and as in the American TV series Bozo the Clown (which the term, however, predates). Why don't you go the whole hog and start calling everyone a "fricking schmuck"?

Andre Watts calls people schmuck!

Anyway, I feel that b!tchy people deserve to be called b!tches and bozos deserve to be called bozos. Whether they are b!tchy or bozos is a different matter since we are discussing whether they SHOULD be used or not.

And also, as I have demonstrated, it's very easy to bypass censors.

[keyboardclass]

Yes, bozo- as in the American insult and as in the American TV series Bozo the Clown (which the term, however, predates). Why don't you go the whole hog and start calling everyone a "fricking schmuck"?

Yes, but there's only one person on this forum I call a Bozo!  Should I call him a fricking schmuck instead?  Not so elegant.

[pianowolfi]

+&§/%!!  ç*^!“ &&&7)*+!!!!

No I didn't swear. I really typed all those characters.

But try to write: diz iz tru  

[furtwaengler]

It's part of language right? Plus there's a lot of meaning in those words.

Seldom does their usage ever reflect their meaning, but rather it often exposes a lack of creativity and ability in language by those who resort there usage. It is IMHO never proper and never reflects favorably on the author. Just my two cents. 

[pianoman53]

I don't see how it's any worse to say "You dickhead!" than, say, "You worthless excuse for a human" or, maybe even worse "A horn player is a better person than you!". I think it's a bit too bad teacher-like to ask for more ways to stop people from saying Fu ck, when there are so much worse things to say, but with "nicer" words. Seems childish, in a way.

[nyiregyhazi]

Yes, but there's only one person on this forum I call a Bozo!  Should I call him a fricking schmuck instead?  Not so elegant.

An Englishman who uses American high school lingo is "elegant"?

[keyboardclass]

An Englishman who uses American high school lingo is "elegant"?

I'm Canadian, besides, compared to fricking schmuck Bozo is by far the more elegant (though I suppose the real word is eloquent).

[werq34ac]

An Englishman who uses American high school lingo is "elegant"?

I OBJECT TO THAT! I never hear that used anymore. Dumbass is much more common.


Adding to that, in general high schoolers use s--- and f--- without restrain. Slut refers to any girl who sleeps with someone other than her boyfriend. B!tch refers to anyone who whines in a "womanly" fashion or acts like a jerk in a womanly fashion. Jerk refers to a guy being rude/mean to a girl. Dickhead refers to a guy acting like a jerk to a guy.

And eloquence with insults depends not on the words you use, but how you use them. Instead of calling someone a pregnant cat (which has almost become a compliment these days. Badass is most certainly a compliment) you might call them a cocksucking scumbag.

Sadly, many people still use faggot, queer, gay, and retard as insults. I feel that these words are worse the swearing.

On the bright side, there really isn't much need for name-calling to their face. Behind their backs? well at least they don't hear it.

[fftransform]

Let's see how many get censored (later censored myself):

*** pregnant dog c**t sh*t *ss c**k d**k d*ng p**sy d**n da**it *** c*m d**che dum**ss *ss dipsh*t *** f*g fa**ot h*m* d*ke black person k*ke k*ke p*l*ck sp*c ch*nk w*p d*go y*d w*tb*ck

The only ones that get censored are:

"f word"
"n word"
"b word"
"s word"
"motherf-"

A-hole gets changed to just "ass."

And one other one.  There's a list of words that should be banned.  And the asterisk in sh*t isn't actually all that discreet.  The fact that the "c word" isn't censored is definitely a bit odd.  I don't really care, though, given that the meanest thing to say to somebody never requires cursing.  That's just lazy.

[ted]

Swearing and colloquialism vary a great deal geographically, in both meaning and intensity, and the internet has the potential to bring about considerable misunderstanding and offence if posters indulge in their customary vulgar forms of speech. Therefore, as somebody has already said, it is a good idea not to use it at all on forums. I think I have dropped the very occasional "bugger" here but on reflection it probably wasn't wise.

At the personal level, in my everyday life, I never use the stronger swear words at all. I think I had such a sickening of them, firstly among university students and then even more so, working on the waterfront. They were interspersed into sentences in what amounted to a random, habituated  sprinkling whether offence was intended or not. This is also starting to be the case in television programmes at the moment and is a result of the words no longer being censored. Makers of films have gone berserk with their new freedom and the result is a monotonous torrent of swearing which produces a really infantile effect. Quite frankly, I wish the words would go out of fashion.

Australia and New Zealand are peculiar in that they have the widespread colloquialism "root" for the sex act, usually just used as an everyday noun or verb, and as an pejorative adjective only in the past tense. As far as I know, Europeans and Americans do not use it in that sense. Both households I have lived in have evolved their own internal vocabulary of vulgarities and expletives, used in imaginative combinations on the impulse of the speaker. I have always assumed that other people do much the same but as usual I might be wrong.

So what with global variation, personal habit and familial idiosyncrasies of speech, the potential for complete misunderstanding is really too great to justify swearing on forums.  

[keyboardclass]

Anyone rememer DP?

[pianoplayjl]

Sadly, many people still use faggot, queer, gay, and retard as insults. I feel that these words are worse the swearing.

Those words I hear everyday thrown everywhere and I agree with you. Some people use the f you in a fun way e.g. once when I told my friend that I got higher marks he used that word. swearing seems to become part of every day language. Every where I hear people using the F word at least 2 times in every sentence.
Isn't there also a thing called morality? In forums once an insult or harsh criticism or slogan directed towards specific people is posted then usually there is a verbal war. So far I think it hasn't happened much in PS.

Anyone rememer DP?

Who/what is DP?

JL

[keyboardclass]

Who/what is DP?

Displaced Person.

[pianoplayjl]

I've used the swear words a couple of times in this forum but stopped using them after realising the morality of them. However that hasn't refrained me from swearing although I wish I could. Swearing is influenced by the environment a person is in. I think the rule of no prfanity should be emphasized a lot more. Hopefully if one sees there are minimal use of swearing then the use won't use them.

On another note I noticed that swearing is used to express feelings and thoughts particularly when I use them. I learnt from my English teacher that more intelligent people use them less but I don't think that is true.

JL

[pianoman53]

I, frankly, don't even see the problem... Or why there even is a discussion about this. Can anyone tell me?

[pianoplayjl]

It is not a problem to me, it's just something I find a bit annoying when they are constantly being used to express emotion. Sometimes it gets too passionate to the point of a verbal conflict. I just thought if people care about swearing and turns out most if not all don't care. More like a survey. 

JL

[pianoman53]

So there is nothing to discuss, yet there is a discussion? Ah, whatever..!

[pianoplayjl]

Ah well I thought something could be done about it but the posts were slowly turning into whether people say they care about it or not (in some posts, at least). I thought swearing was something that had to be raised. I read over more and more older posts and there seems to be endless profanity. It is something that can't be stopped but I though it can be prevented from being used excessively.

JL

[thalbergmad]

bollox

[pianoplayjl]

bollox

Not sure bout that word but better than saying the S word. I reckon Nils should make a poll on what words should be censored but since most people don't care I think it is a minor issue after all.

JL