Non-Classical Board

[fftransform]

All this video game, new age, pop transcription and movie music stuff is a hassle.  Can it please get its own special corner, and thereby be banished to it?

[pianoplayjl]

D!mn you are right, it is getting to me a bit although I enjoy them alot. It might get a bit muddled up with the audition room though. Maybe a childboard might be feasible.

JL

[49410enrique]

my bad. i'll abstain. i just appreciate it a bit too much lately(made some edits). i didn't know it was supposed to be art music only, sorry if i violated some policy, really i didn't mean to offend.

[quantum]

I don't recall there being a policy that discussions be restricted to art music.  In fact I enjoy having non-art-music included in the mix. 

[ted]

For a number of reasons I am against separation of piano music on the forum by genre. If sufficiently many people want it, then no doubt it will happen, as it has on Pianoworld, but I think it far from ideal. Firstly, it is next to impossible to clearly define what classical music is. For instance is Sorabji classical ? Is Frank Bridge ? Is Billy Mayerl ? Is Kapustin ? Is Scott Joplin ? Is a composition written yesterday in Bach's style classical ? Is a Chopin piece still classical if the player fiddles with it or improvises a section in it ? Perhaps most might agree that classical music is not improvised, but in these days of digital processing it seems an anachronism to insist on the existence of a piece of paper. What about transcriptions ? Are the Waller and Morton solos now classical because they have been written out ?

Definitions of classical aside, I have enough difficulty as it is deciding whether to put much of my own stuff in Improvisations or the Audition Room. Many of my early written compositions sit firmly in late nineteenth century romantic style but on Pianoworld I must post them in the non-classical section, which comprises 90% jazz. There is something vaguely not right about this but I have to follow the forum rules.

With this sort of classification it seems we are damned if we do and damned if we don't, but my vote goes toward keeping all classification to a bare working minimum.

I hadn't noticed quantum had posted. I agree with him. Sound is just sound. It goes into my brain and causes a reaction. When, how and where it was created is completely irrelevant to me save as anecdotal interest.

[fftransform]

I don't recall there being a policy that discussions be restricted to art music.  In fact I enjoy having non-art-music included in the mix. 

Then you should particularly enjoy being able to regulate precisely how much of that "non-art-music" thread-reading you get, by surfing the Non-Classical Board!  It's not like it will be gone.  Argument = failure.

[fftransform]

Firstly, it is next to impossible to clearly define what classical music is. For instance is Sorabji classical ? Is Frank Bridge ? Is Billy Mayerl ? Is Kapustin ? Is Scott Joplin ? Is a composition written yesterday in Bach's style classical ? Is a Chopin piece still classical if the player fiddles with it or improvises a section in it ? Perhaps most might agree that classical music is not improvised, but in these days of digital processing it seems an anachronism to insist on the existence of a piece of paper. What about transcriptions ? Are the Waller and Morton solos now classical because they have been written out?

Blah blah blah blah . . .  Don't be obnoxious.  It is not "next to impossible" to define what classical music is.  You didn't list a single composer or potential scenario in which it would be difficult to determine whether the music is classical.  "Is Sorabji classical?"  "Is Frank Bridge classical?"  Are you serious?  I don't even begin to understand how you're having trouble, there.

Besides, your whole argument is basically this: we should pander to people too ignorant to even know what the difference between classical and pop music is.


No thanks.

[quantum]

There are other forums that have attempted to confine musical genre into a forums organizational structure.  If you prefer this type of "organization" why not go where it already exists?  There is no need to make Pianostreet like everywhere else. 

[fftransform]

There are other forums that have attempted to confine musical genre into a forums organizational structure.  If you prefer this type of "organization" why not go where it already exists?  There is no need to make Pianostreet like everywhere else. 

It doesn't matter what everybody else is doing.  If they're doing that, it's probably because it's better.  If it's better, then it should be done here, too.

[thalbergmad]

Blah blah blah blah . . .  Don't be obnoxious.  

That is not very pleasant. Ted is one of the nice guys.

Thal

[49410enrique]

so this clip from a performance @ juliard wouldn't be allowed? sorry i'm not trying to muck things up i just want to be clear on what exactly would offend , this is movie music, but a "serious" artistic performance at a respected venue by a celebrated pianist(s)/duo [i believe they just hit no2 on the billboard traditional classical charts with their new release], so im a bit confused, just want to make certain i understand on my end what the offending material is so i can try and know what's appropriate, what belongs where, etc.

Impression #1 from "STAR WARS FANTASY" composed and performed by the Anderson & Roe Piano Duo
"...
Recorded live in concert at The Juilliard School

In composing our "Star Wars Fantasy: Four Impressions for Two Pianos," we took motives from John Williams' iconic score and constructed a brand new work. The first impression is based on the "Cantina Theme" heard in "Episode IV: A New Hope" from the Star Wars Films. If you are VERY perceptive, you may notice other themes hidden in the texture of the music as well (the Force Theme, Darth Vadar's theme, Yoda's theme, and various battle music motives)...."

what about this?

[littletune]

Well, if probably if, doesn't seem all that sure to me  and people usually don't do things cause they would think they are better but because they just don't think and do things the way everyone else is doing them... I really think I would be confused about where to post... I mean I know I'm not all that smart but I think there are a lot of other people who would be confused too (beacuse I see people are sometimes confused even about a lot more simple things) and then a lot of people would be posting in the wrong place instead of in their own special corner and that would make it even more annoying wouldn't it? 

[pianoplayjl]

 But in the end I don't care about creating a new board for non classical music. Afterall, it is all piano music and this great website was created exactly for that purpose. Perhaps a creation of a new board for non classical piano music might muddle things up even more. I've seen enough muddling up even with something like 7 piano boards. I agree with Ted that it is so hard to seperate classical from non classical because some 20th century music e.g. jazz don't sound classical and sometimes break away from some rules of classical music.

JL