Soflege/ear training

[Daevren]

I probably need to do some audition in march next year. I have been out of musical education for some years and I never really had all those lessons.

Things like recognizing time signatures is really poor. Same with chords in inversions and jazz progressions with many extensions. I also can't name all intervals.

I have looked at these tests and they seem pretty hard. So can anyone recommend me some methods that I can do at home, CD/book combinations? Primary jazz based.

And do they really demand from a student to really name all the intervals and recognise a Cm7 Cm7/Bb Abmaj7 G7(b13) Dmi9 progression? Or do they just make the tests so hard to see what students can do? BTW, the theory part seems alot easier, just writing out scales and chords. Or is my ear that bad?

And if anyone wants to see the actual example tests, here.

Classical: https://www.english.oldcva.ahk.nl/toelatingtheorie-klassiek/toelating_NS-en.htm

Jazz: https://www.english.oldcva.ahk.nl/toelatingtheorie-jazz/toelatingE_NS.htm

[monk]

And do they really demand from a student to really name all the intervals and recognise a Cm7 Cm7/Bb Abmaj7 G7(b13) Dmi9 progression?

YES, they demand it!
And rightly so!
It ISN'T hard to name all intervals - that is basic knowledge!
And that example chord progression is really simple, too!

If you are already too lazy to learn these basic things, you are not ready to pass an audition and study, lazybones.

There are masses of books and internet articles out there where intervals and chords are explained extensively. I suspect you don't really want to know these things, right? You just want to half-heartedly fulfill some expectations of others, right?

Best Wishes,
Monk

[Daevren]

Dude, I can name all intervals, its easy. And yes, if I couldn't I shoulld not enter. I mean naming by ear.

Damn, read my post. I just asked if anyone knows a good solflege method. I have been studying music theory for 3 years privately, I am talking about solflege and ear training.

[Daevren]

Dude, I can name all intervals, its easy. And yes, if I couldn't I shoulld not enter. I mean naming by ear.

Damn, read my post. I just asked if anyone knows a good solflege method. I have been studying music theory for 3 years privately and I teach music theory to other people myself. I am talking about solflege and ear training.

[Egghead]

Dude, I can name all intervals, its easy. And yes, if I couldn't I shoulld not enter. I mean naming by ear.

Damn, read my post. I just asked if anyone knows a good solflege method. I have been studying music theory for 3 years privately and I teach music theory to other people myself. I am talking about solflege and ear training.

Hi Daevren, hi monk,

let us not get too heated here. We all try to read posts carefully and yet do not always fully understand what the other person means. I suspect monk did mean that naming intervals by ear is a basic requirement.

And once you can do something, it often seems rather trivial, but this being a forum, someone has to ask questions!

On naming intervals by ear: you learn to WRITE as well as to read at school, it is assumed literacy means both skills. I guess, it is the same for music.

To read (i.e. HEAR) a score (wihtout piano) you need to be able to imagine intervals, chord progressions etc. if you CAN imagine them, you can also recognise them pretty easily. If you learn them individually first, you sort of build up your alphabet. So please do not see it as an audition requirement, but a requirement to better enjoy and appreciate music.

Learning intervals is expected of and accessible to people who do not go to study music professionally. It is not hard and can be done, e.g. wiht various internet programs. You can try sight-singing bits from pieces you do not know (and check on piano every now and then), and also try to write down tunes you DO know by heart and then look them up to check.
There are also some books on the topic, and I bet there are various threads here dealing with aspects of your question.

I personally find chord progressions harder, because I know very little music theory, but again, with the internet the information is available out there, plus each piece you learn to play by heart (and play mentally) gives you lots of practice...

Finally, maybe you can find someone else to practice with.
Good luck, and enjoy the process!
Egghead

[monk]

I apologize, Daevren!

I didn't read your post carefully. I'm a moron...

Best Wishes,
Monk

[Daevren]

Hahaha, ok. np

[Tash]

i HATE solfege with a passion. always just say whatever do re mi i feel like singing which is not good.

anyway, at uni they have a computer program called 'auralia' which has all aspects of aural stuff to practice on different levels- it's pretty good. i dunno if you can get it out of australia or how much it is, in fact i really don't know anything about it! but if you can get it, it's good