How to do trills

[johnmar78]

Starstruck, here you go...

Any memebers here got any questions other than trills please ask, I am quite happy to do a quick video for you....

I hope htis helps..

[starstruck5]

Thanks so much for this -I will try and apply your teachings!

[keyboardclass]

Try my trill exercise (slowly at first):

Here's the notes:


...and before anyone comments - I know the elbows are low.  It was fine by Deppe!

[pianowolfi]

No to both, of course. Johnmar, you are playing with a completely stiff wrist and it will do no good to your tendons, nor to your playing. I'd strongly suggest to rethink your technique! You might look for a good teacher. Not that everything is wrong with you, of course, but this looks like you have some serious technical issues that only a good real life teacher can resolve.

Barenboim (and many other experienced pianists like him) does it the right way, without harming their playing apparatus:

From 6:41 to 6:45.

[keyboardclass]

Nowt wrong with my apparatus thank you very much!

[pianowolfi]

Nowt wrong with my apparatus thank you very much!

Yeah because you are still young and you are trying things out and because you obviously don't practice very much. If you get older and you want to practice more you'll have to rethink and reorganize.

[keyboardclass]

Yeah because you are still young

Hey, thanks for the compliment!

[johnmar78]

Wolfi,,,,what , me stiff whrist, it might appear to you my hand is stiff, . It is  NOT..no no no., this is a video demo and not a continous passage as I am playing a trill,because, the mometum is temp stopped. I think you are a bit judgemetal here...

My taught was from as still as possible and I did not invent this, the masters.-people from the consevatory. Are you saying they all wrong..I doubt.
 My hands are strong over period of training, never had a really tiring hands,I have to be honest. Using whrist is my LAST resource, just as you have seen in my chopin studies op10-1. I can play it 10 times in a row with medium temp. Touch wood, never had damaged hands..
 I rather keep my hands still. While keeping still that gives the best gravity feed into key bed that gives ME a better control.

I am not saying wobbly is bad, but the point I am making here is you CAN NOT BEAT the law of physics/consevation, the more movement /motion you make the more wasteful and harder to control. Look at Holowize, he is still. I hope this clears up some misunderstanding.

Ps just watche Bariboim, his hands is pretty still too. but it is in a continous motion, thereofre momentum is not stopped .

[pianowolfi]

Okay, perhaps your wrist looks stiffer than it actually is, on the video. Though, I have the feeling that there might be some unnecessary tension.

I hope I can do a little demonstration video with practical examples later.

[quantum]

johnmar, I would be more open to examining contradicting theories before passing them of as invalid.  Anyone who has passed through a conservatory or college music program well knows that teachers contradict each other all to often.  One teacher says this is the way to go, the next tries to undo all that teaching and get you to go the opposite way.  Just because knowledge came from a seemingly reliable source, does not mean we should stop questioning it and challenging it.  The perception of prestige from one's teaching lineage or institution should in no way be a limiting factor in the growth of knowledge.