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Offline costicina

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Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
on: April 04, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
The final is still somehow muddy, but overall I think it has improved since the last version.....
 ::) ::) ::) ::) or not?
Anyway, I whish you a peaceful Easter!!!!

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 07:21:57 PM
It's obviously getting better, so you're on the right track :)

There are two things I don't like.

For me, you still don't care enought about the middle voice. I hear one note here, and one note there, but never the whole thing.

The other thing is the way you present yourself.
I have a bit of difficulties to listen to someone who, even before we can listen, says it's rather bad (or at least that's how i interpret the "OMF AGAIN?!?!" Everyone knows they're very difficult, especially if you don't have piano as a profession. So you really don't have to worry about them being difficult. You do you're best, and no one will think anything else.

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 07:52:05 PM

I have a bit of difficulties to listen to someone who, even before we can listen, says it's rather bad (or at least that's how i interpret the "OMF AGAIN?!?!") .

 ::) ::) ::) I didn't say it's bad: on the contrary,  I said that IMO it has improved. The OMG stuff referred to the fact that I posted various recording of the same Etude, in different stages of refinement: from the 'germinal' phase (in the Student corner board), to various attempts to improve melody line, pedalling, accuracy, etc. etc.
Anyway, thank you for listening and commenting. I'll try to pay more attention to the 'middle voice'...

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 10:07:07 PM
what more is there to say? this is your etude now.no longer are you struggling to get through it, rather you're telling it how it is allowed to come out. nicely done. very nicely done.

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #4 on: April 05, 2012, 02:16:31 AM
Marg, this one is beter tahn previous, the rh 4321 is coming out, but not all the time, the LH 321 is not as clear. Where as on your old take these were most misiing. So Congradualtions you are getting better.

Two important thing you must do and I promise you will be better in no time.

1) slow down  enough so you can HEAR both RH and LH notes clearly before going on next bar.

2) Must play Both thumbs together to complte a sweep and auidable at least to youself.

Have a great easter show.

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 05:23:44 AM
Thank you so much!!!!  :D :D :D :D :D :D
John, I'll keep on working at it, but at last now I can play it feeling the pure pleasure to play and trying to 'interprete' it.

Enrique, you know how much I care about your opinion...your praises are so welcome! I'lldo my best to deserve them entirely

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 01:33:40 PM
The video isn't streaming properly for me right now -but I have downloaded it -looking forward to hearing your progress with this difficult but sublime etude!
When a search is in progress, something will be found.

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
There's no need to put the "OMG, AGAIN!?!?!?"

Now that you have the technical aspects under control, have you tried playing just the melody? Good technique means nothing if you don't have interpretation and vice versa.

Then when you have decided how you want to interpret the melody, put it back into the piece while "ignoring the technical aspects" and listening to the melody.

Etude 25/1 uses the 5th finger for melody so shape the melody with the fingers you normally use to play this etude.

Other than that, look forward to ANOTHER performance.  ;)
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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 03:41:49 PM
Marg, I always love your performances and you're making lots of improvement every time I watch you.  In the end, you'll perform this like a concert pianist!!  Keep at it, girl!!  Good job!

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
Dan, I worked a lot at the melody line, experimenting various approaches to outch, dynamics, etc......: evidently, I've only scratched the tip of the iceberg  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Thank you so much for the encouragement, Choo: as you see, I badly need it!!!!  ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 05:54:03 PM
I downloaded this etude earlier -to try and get an insight to some of the technical difficulties of this study -to be able to play all the notes alone is an awesome achievement!  I especially think this piece is difficult for pianists who don't have hands like big shovels as well -it is hard to hold the melody notes -but I found if you can play each melody note in a connceted way, instead of releasing them, the phrases are more cantabile and smooth.  The problems of balance and dynamics are another challenge. 

I think Enrique was spot on in his observations -other than that I echo what Choo says -you love this enough to play it as if you wrote it -there are already many beautiful expressive moments -
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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 06:59:28 PM
Thank you so much, Starstruck, you're very kind.
You know, my dream is to have a little repertoire of pieces that I truly love and give me joy to play. Once the bulk of the job is done, it's a matter of constant, patient and careful refining...

Sometimes it can be hard and tiresome, but it's also the most rewarding aspect of piano playing for a plain amateur like me,  whose only ambition is to be for a handful of minutes a sort of magician who is able to transform silence into beautiful and meaningful sounds.... :) :) :) :) :)

Good work, and have a serene Easter full of music!!!!
 

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Re: Chopin, Etude op 25 n 1 (OMG, AGAIN!?!?!)
Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 06:42:48 PM
IMHO - SO MUCH BETTER !!!! ;D
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