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Re: Vienna
Reply #51 on: May 29, 2012, 03:05:52 PM
Yeah, it's sometimes a little embarrassing to admit what kind of budget I'm on when surrounded by people who don't seem to be on one at all (and feel it necessary to ask me where I am staying, etc.), but somewhere in me I believe that the right people are the right people and I believe it's possible to see each other as ourselves (I won't be bias, and perhaps they won't, either).  Part of the transforming experience for me this last weekend was a fundamental alteration in how I thought of my relation to people and my ability to relate.  It's not easy for me, but something I realized is that there are fundamental aspects of my personality which need to be adjusted if I should ever wish to accomplish certain things as a pianist/musician, and one of the differences between my pianistic endeavors and singing is that I love the piano so much, I reach a point of being willing to make deep personal adjustments even if it's really scary and difficult for me (singing, alone, wouldn't be enough for me to be willing).  

I'm still learning and it might take awhile, but I feel there were some good breakthroughs, and also seemingly accepting and open individuals there (though there were some things I couldn't seem to quite overcome).  What I *can* be is open and trusting, but wise, and this is very much what I feel I must be fundamentally demonstrating on a higher level as a player/musician.  I realized that it is rooted in my everyday living, and not just when I play the piano and that I must actually live what I wish to accomplish as a pianist.

The first thing you should know is that everyone everywhere only thinks about money. So I always tell people that I'm paying half of what I'm actually paying, that my room is in the back and I can smell the kitchen. That gets the money subject out of the way and maybe (??) we can speak about something else.

For me being the instrument (singing) has always been more thrilling. There is a time limit on that because no one wants to hear an old croaker.

There is a creative aspect to music that maybe you should think about. I am doing some arrangements and am rediscovering the fun of writing music. An added kick is that my work can be played right on the computer and the software makes the score look good. No more messy pencil scores and waiting until rehearsal to hear it.

As you travel around Europe you are visiting the sets upon which the drama of history was played. Try to make some contact with the actors.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #52 on: May 29, 2012, 03:53:33 PM
The first thing you should know is that everyone everywhere only thinks about money. So I always tell people that I'm paying half of what I'm actually paying, that my room is in the back and I can smell the kitchen. That gets the money subject out of the way and maybe (??) we can speak about something else.

I actually don't really understand this, but I'll take your word for it and keep it in mind!

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For me being the instrument (singing) has always been more thrilling. There is a time limit on that because no one wants to hear an old croaker.

There is a creative aspect to music that maybe you should think about. I am doing some arrangements and am rediscovering the fun of writing music. An added kick is that my work can be played right on the computer and the software makes the score look good. No more messy pencil scores and waiting until rehearsal to hear it.

As you travel around Europe you are visiting the sets upon which the drama of history was played. Try to make some contact with the actors.

Well, as a pianist, I don't necessarily feel as though I'm not the instrument, but I understand that's probably not precisely your point here.  What I want when I go to Vienna, is yes, to actually a little bit become these people ... you know, get some glimpse just enough, to actually walk in their footsteps, as though I were them.  I bet there will be pigeons :).  I like pigeons, and do you know what?  Probably there were pigeons even "back then," too, and maybe I will hear the flight of a pigeon from the town center in a very similar way to how Beethoven would hear a town pigeon :).  I want to see many things, but even more I want to hear them and listen to them.  I have very, very deeply listened to my surroundings throughout my life, and one thing that I am so grateful for in my own little town is the availability of a palpable hush, a palpable calm, a palpable kind of quiet and stillness.  I hear the same things though, everyday, and I want so much to have new sounds in my being, or even if they are the same or related to sounds I am already very familiar with, it will have some new aspect of it to be in a different place, especially with great history, and especially with such a great musically historical life.  

I remember the first time I ever saw a facsimile of an original score, it was for Mozart's Fantasy and Sonata in c minor, and my teacher secretly ordered it on loan from another library and one day just surprised me with it.  I remember opening it and felt instantly transported to another time and place.  It were as though the score were whispering to me so many secrets and as though it somehow sucked me into it!  I carried that book around with me everywhere I went and kept it on my nightstand while I slept.  Eventually it had to go back, though :).
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Re: Vienna
Reply #53 on: May 30, 2012, 12:57:17 AM
I actually don't really understand this, but I'll take your word for it and keep it in mind!

Within moments the first question that will be asked of you will be "where are you staying" and "how much are you paying?" If you answer in the negative they want to know if they can do a house exchange or rent a room.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #54 on: May 30, 2012, 02:46:18 AM
Within moments the first question that will be asked of you will be "where are you staying" and "how much are you paying?" If you answer in the negative they want to know if they can do a house exchange or rent a room.

ehhh ...
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Re: Vienna
Reply #55 on: May 30, 2012, 07:38:08 AM
I remember opening it and felt instantly transported to another time and place.  It were as though the score were whispering to me so many secrets and as though it somehow sucked me into it!  I carried that book around with me everywhere I went and kept it on my nightstand while I slept.  Eventually it had to go back, though :).

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Re: Vienna
Reply #56 on: May 30, 2012, 04:21:35 PM
ehhh ...

Now you understand?

As an American traveler you will be asked endless questions. Generally, underlying the barrage is the intent on their part to come and stay with you in your home. My wife and I have become very skilled at spotting those types of people because of the endless questions they ask. In some cases we have had to become very rude.

We try to ask back but it's difficult to squeeze in a word. My best stunt is to give one word answers.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #57 on: May 30, 2012, 04:27:42 PM
Now you understand?

As an American traveler you will be asked endless questions. Generally, underlying the barrage is the intent on their part to come and stay with you in your home. My wife and I have become very skilled at spotting those types of people because of the endless questions they ask. In some cases we have had to become very rude.

We try to ask back but it's difficult to squeeze in a word. My best stunt is to give one word answers.

No, no, NOW I think I understand.  I thought you meant that they would want to somehow exchange me for my room there, or that you are for some reason assuming that I have a home there ... which I do, but it's not anywhere people can currently stay (it's only in my heart .... awwwww  ;D :P)!  But, you mean, they will want to come to the US and stay here ... and, that if I answer them about where I'm staying THERE in a way that indicates I am not bulging with money, they will lose interest in coming to the US to stay in my home  :P.  Correct?  I guess I will have lots to learn, but I will be surprised at myself if I seriously befriend people in Vienna.  Probably I will be nearly strictly in observation and fairly quiet mode (maybe I will even be nearly mute), unless the spirit moves me otherwise!  I'm not exactly planning to go dancing in the streets and bar hopping (though I'm probably going to brush up on my kempo moves), I'm pretty much just planning to see a few pigeons and maybe give them a little snack.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #58 on: May 30, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
I think I will develop a character for myself there in Vienna (which will get blown once in awhile, but maybe the damage can stay very local to certain necessary occasions), but I won't be American, I will be German, but also I will be deaf and pretty much mute.  If somebody tries to speak with me, I will pretend to be -and completely embody- my innate German sausageness, but I will just speak in sign language back to them and probably they will leave me completely alone at that point.  I think I will also try to find a heavy weight boxing champion belt somewhere, which I will just generally wear around, as though I'm so proud of my own achievements that I can't stop wearing this belt.  It will give off the message that I am a serious boxer, and I think generally my name will be Helga, which I guess I will have to write down for people if I am ever going to communicate to them my name, but I won't have written conversations with people, since I can't write in German.  I think it's a pretty good plan, actually, and it's very possible I will enact it.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #59 on: May 30, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
I will be German

You will need some leather shorts, a silly moustache and some coloured braces.

Then, you will need to buy 50 large towels and practice getting to the sun lounger before everyone else.

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Re: Vienna
Reply #60 on: May 30, 2012, 07:30:39 PM
You will need some leather shorts, a silly moustache and some coloured braces.

Then, you will need to buy 50 large towels and practice getting to the sun lounger before everyone else.

Thal

Then, what?  I should just be myself?  But anyway, I AM mostly German and I do not wear leather shorts, etc..  Thal, do you have a boxing championship belt I could borrow?  thanks  ;D
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Re: Vienna
Reply #61 on: May 30, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
I have a certificate for the 10 metre backstroke if that helps.

I stopped wearing belts when I converted to elasticated trousers.

Sorry.

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Reply #62 on: May 30, 2012, 08:17:56 PM
Ok, well, I'll keep the certificate in mind, thanks.

It's ok.

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Re: Vienna
Reply #63 on: May 30, 2012, 08:57:52 PM


I think something like this would be suitable for Germany. It will help you blend in with the locals.

The more beers you can carry the better.

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Re: Vienna
Reply #64 on: May 30, 2012, 09:15:11 PM
Yeah, right, I definitely want to be as inconspicuous as possible so I may also just go with walking around looking like this:

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Reply #65 on: May 30, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
I see no picture me old foxy.
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Reply #66 on: May 30, 2012, 09:20:12 PM
I see no picture me old foxy.

Ah well, I've put a better idea anyway.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #67 on: May 30, 2012, 09:29:42 PM
I had no idea that m1469 was going to GERMANY; Vienna wasn't there when last I looked...

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Reply #68 on: May 30, 2012, 09:38:33 PM
Before long, Athens could be in Germany.

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Re: Vienna
Reply #69 on: May 30, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
I had no idea that m1469 was going to GERMANY; Vienna wasn't there when last I looked...

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So the problem becomes looking like an Austrian. Hmmm... she can choose between looking like Schwarzenegger or Hitler. Tough choice.
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Reply #70 on: May 30, 2012, 09:48:08 PM
What a choice, the Austrian Oak or the Austrian Corporal.

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Reply #71 on: May 30, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
I had no idea that m1469 was going to GERMANY; Vienna wasn't there when last I looked...

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Well, I AM flying into and out of Germany.  Which reminds me that I need to make a plan for the day I am leaving from the Festival!  ooops!  WOOT!  :P
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Re: Vienna
Reply #72 on: May 30, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
If you are landing in Frankfort, that is quite an airport. The best thing they ever did was put a train station downstairs. I rolled in there at 3 AM on a delayed flight from LAX, caught the shuttle train to the main station, bought a ticket to Paris on the first train out, ate breakfast as the sun rose and got to my hotel by lunch. (room 25F=$5/night... still stay there but now EUR 65)

Check out some English language newspapers from Austria. You'll see what is on their minds.

Hey guys, easy on the WW2 jokes. "What ever you do don't mention the war." John Cleese (Faulty Towers)
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Re: Vienna
Reply #73 on: May 31, 2012, 05:41:09 AM
Before long, Athens could be in Germany.
In the minds of certain Greeks, before long Germany could be in Athens...

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Reply #74 on: May 31, 2012, 06:35:06 AM
In the minds of certain Greeks, before long Germany could be in Athens...

And here I was thinking that they generally wanted Germany OUT of Athens.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #75 on: May 31, 2012, 04:10:44 PM
Please, gentlemen, let's not beat around the bush.

This discussion is about whether m1469 should dress as either Arnold or Adolf, not about any kind of geographical disagreements.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #76 on: June 01, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Please, gentlemen, let's not beat around the bush.

This discussion is about whether m1469 should dress as either Arnold or Adolf, not about any kind of geographical disagreements.

Well, the fact that it's a crime in Austria to dress as the corporal may sway the argument. But why only two options? Why not one of the von Trapps?
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Reply #77 on: June 01, 2012, 03:43:40 AM
Yeah, I don't think I want to dress as some dude, though that might work in my favor (the dude part, but obviously not those particular characters).  Filling my head with thinking about the Sound of Music being there is surprisingly helpful in having some idea of what I'm getting into, though I'm sure it's pretty misleading.  
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Reply #78 on: June 01, 2012, 07:06:24 AM
As far as I remember, Austrian and German women are among the worst  dressed in the world. Besides, I was shocked to notice that they didn't shave/wax their legs...awful!!  :o :o
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Reply #79 on: June 01, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
German women don't shave their faces either.

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Reply #80 on: June 01, 2012, 04:34:15 PM
Yeah, I don't think I want to dress as some dude, though that might work in my favor (the dude part, but obviously not those particular characters).  Filling my head with thinking about the Sound of Music being there is surprisingly helpful in having some idea of what I'm getting into, though I'm sure it's pretty misleading.  

I'll repeat the advice we give to all our visitors.

Dress like a school teacher or student on vacation or sabbatical.

Hang out near universities. The food will be cheaper and the conversation will be better. I'm a little old even to look like guest lecturer but nobody wonders. Often I chat with professors who wish to practice their English.
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Reply #81 on: June 01, 2012, 05:34:36 PM
I'll repeat the advice we give to all our visitors.

Dress like a school teacher or student on vacation or sabbatical.

Hang out near universities. The food will be cheaper and the conversation will be better. I'm a little old even to look like guest lecturer but nobody wonders. Often I chat with professors who wish to practice their English.

OK, this is good advice.  I will need to locate a University and see if I will even have a moment to go there, but I should actually find somewhere to practice for two days anyway, so maybe I could take care of a couple of things at once.  I think I will go with the teacher persona, which of course I really am (but I will focus it and professionalize it), but I think I'd rather be that than just some lady wandering around.  And I might glom onto a group when necessary, if it seems prudent :).  I'm also going to need to learn how to say a few basic things, probably.
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Reply #82 on: June 02, 2012, 03:16:29 AM
OK, this is good advice.  I will need to locate a University and see if I will even have a moment to go there, but I should actually find somewhere to practice for two days anyway, so maybe I could take care of a couple of things at once.  I think I will go with the teacher persona, which of course I really am (but I will focus it and professionalize it), but I think I'd rather be that than just some lady wandering around.  And I might glom onto a group when necessary, if it seems prudent :).  I'm also going to need to learn how to say a few basic things, probably.

You will be surprised at how many students speak English. There isn't really enough time to learn anything meaningful in Austrian(?), unless you construct sentences using infinitive verbs. "I would like (to have) a ham sandwich."

Even with Obama as president be ready for some serious anti-American sentiment. You will be astounded at what aspect of American life they can dig up to make an objection.
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Reply #83 on: June 02, 2012, 03:24:06 AM
Well, isn't it German? I mean things like "where is the bathroom?" (I guess it's time to go back to the German Lounge thread here).  Wo ist und .....

Yeah, I figure I'm going to run into some anti-American stuff, which is why I wanted to be a German person.  But, anyway, I'm not going there to interact and converse with the people so much.  If that somehow happens unexpectedly and naturally then I am open to it, but I'm seriously really wanting to be where the composers were and very quietly and deeply take it in, and I will practice some, and I think that's going to take up pretty much every moment of my time.
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Re: Vienna
Reply #84 on: June 02, 2012, 03:38:11 AM
Wo ist die Toilette?

Still looks like who to me, that wo.  Warum?  Wa-ROOm!?

And bathrooms are female for some reason.  ::)

Dress up like this.

That's how everyone in Germany dresses.  You'll blend right in.


Insist that they tell you where the real Vienna is.  They'll probably think it's a big joke on the American and try to send to you a tourist trap called Wien.  If you push it, they may even tell you Wien IS Vienna.  Don't let them fool you.
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Reply #85 on: June 02, 2012, 03:52:35 AM
Ah, good one.  Don't tell them you're an Artist.  You're eine Künstlerin.
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Reply #86 on: June 02, 2012, 03:55:30 AM
haha ... that's a funny scene.  I will bring one of those outfits with me, just in case.  For some reason I really like scenes where there is somebody trying to fit into some kind of group dance but are kind of bumbly yet charismatic, and sort of fit into the dance sometimes, sort of not, and somehow the scene works.  There is one in some other movie with Bill Murray, too, where he's wearing a huge, furry hat and he is accidentally dancing around with a bomb at one point.

Wien IS Vienna.
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Reply #87 on: June 02, 2012, 03:56:57 AM
Wien IS Vienna.

Don't start that.  Smart people know better.  They even have internet sites set up to fool people.  It's this giant prank on the world.
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Reply #88 on: June 02, 2012, 03:22:26 PM
Wo ist die Toilette?

Still looks like who to me, that wo.  Warum?  Wa-ROOm!?

And bathrooms are female for some reason.  ::)

Dress up like this.

That's how everyone in Germany dresses.  You'll blend right in.


Insist that they tell you where the real Vienna is.  They'll probably think it's a big joke on the American and try to send to you a tourist trap called Wien.  If you push it, they may even tell you Wien IS Vienna.  Don't let them fool you.

Have you ever been to Austria or Germany?

I have stayed in Germany and Switzerland for extended periods but have only driven through Austria.

haha ... that's a funny scene.  I will bring one of those outfits with me, just in case.  For some reason I really like scenes where there is somebody trying to fit into some kind of group dance but are kind of bumbly yet charismatic, and sort of fit into the dance sometimes, sort of not, and somehow the scene works.  There is one in some other movie with Bill Murray, too, where he's wearing a huge, furry hat and he is accidentally dancing around with a bomb at one point.

Wien IS Vienna.

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Re: Vienna
Reply #89 on: June 02, 2012, 06:18:19 PM
Have you ever been to Austria or Germany?

Nein.

I think someone on here said Austria was essentially the old Germany.  Same culture essentially.
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Reply #90 on: June 03, 2012, 01:55:02 AM
You will have a great time. Don't over plan. Leave time for something unexpected to happen.

Well, when should I plan space for the unexpected things?  :P  Anyway, I can always change my plans as I go, but I think it would be good for me to have some plans, and the unexpected, if it's going to happen, is going to happen whether I have a plan or not.  I understand the idea, though. :)  Lately my head is in such a cloud, it's tough to really get things done.  It's like my whole being is already gravitating to another land ... perhaps that's just an intuitive way of gradually preparing for and growing into what has seemed will be an large experience, but I have nearly a month of needing to get things done around here!
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Reply #91 on: June 03, 2012, 09:21:01 AM
Nein.

I think someone on here said Austria was essentially the old Germany.  Same culture essentially.

The difference between a German and an Austrian:
The German says: The situation is serious, but not hopeless.
The Austrian says: The situation is hopeless, but not serious.
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Reply #92 on: June 03, 2012, 04:13:58 PM
Well, when should I plan space for the unexpected things?  :P  Anyway, I can always change my plans as I go, but I think it would be good for me to have some plans, and the unexpected, if it's going to happen, is going to happen whether I have a plan or not.  I understand the idea, though. :)  

Robert Rauschenberg mentioned this concept. He always left room for the unexpected to happen during the creative process. A trip is a creative process. You are creating an experience to enjoy in the present and as memories in the future. If you book it tight (like many of my friends) you leave no room for anything else.

 

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Reply #93 on: June 03, 2012, 07:04:26 PM
Robert Rauschenberg mentioned this concept. He always left room for the unexpected to happen during the creative process. A trip is a creative process. You are creating an experience to enjoy in the present and as memories in the future. If you book it tight (like many of my friends) you leave no room for anything else.

I really do get the idea of what you are saying and I actually don't disagree.  I do find myself needing to respond because it's actually related to -or directly IS- a life-philosophy, which I am always taking a look at.  I know some people, and one special case in particular, who are always planning, planning, booking themselves completely to the max in the hopes to achieve certain things, but are always stressed out, overwhelmed, and disappointed that they are constantly unable to achieve all of their plans.  For one, I don't wish to live my life exactly that way (and was forced into taking a deeper look at things and changing my life a number of years ago), though obviously there are times where busy-ness is very necessary and overwhelming (and it's not as though my life isn't busy).  

But, there is something deeper to me, too, and that is that somewhere in me, whether I am always good about relying upon this or not, I believe there is a deeper sense of direction to be listening to, and ultimately I'd like to stay that course.  I also know myself to some extent, and I know that if I don't have a plan, I may literally end up just staying in my hotel room the whole time, looking out the window.  I also know that I can be profoundly affected by new experiences, and that this can become disorienting for me, and there are some things I think I would *really* like to make a point to come to know there in Vienna (though, I actually don't even know for sure what those are ... haha), and I think it's important for me to focus my intentions so that if I find myself becoming deeply affected, I don't forget to do what I really was there to do, and then regret it later.  But, so far, I really only have a few plans and those are somewhat loose.  I plan to take an introductory to composers walk on the first full day, and that's a basic plan that I will build from ... probably while I am there.  

I imagine my plans will become more clear as I see things that I feel I would really like to get to know more.  I also know there are some composer specific walks, and that I will probably try to find a University to practice.  I figure there will be some little coffee shop that I *love* ... and I'll probably try to find a park so I can feel close to nature.  I plan to do TONS of people-watching.  Perhaps I'll try to take in a musical show of some sort.  But, I also believe that sometimes we miss out on the right unexpected experiences because we never made a more concrete plan to do something which would have led to the unexpected.  Then again, maybe what's meant to happens, happens, no matter what we do.  I don't know.  But, I AM fairly certain it's probably not right for me to just stay in my hotel room the whole time, never going out.  I already got scared of Vienna again today and considered staying in Germany in a little hotel for three days ... haha.  Luckily, my hotel in Vienna is non-refundable, so that gives me a little extra incentive to stick to the plan  ;).
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Reply #94 on: June 03, 2012, 07:31:01 PM
OK, to summarize  :P, All I really know is that I have to go there, that music and life and some deeper, vital substance to living is what's calling me there.  That I expect to find something there which is only vague to me at the time (it's like a fuzzy, internal "shape" right now), that I appreciate some structure in my life to keep me grounded and to promote motion, that I suspect I'll somehow be profoundly affected, but that it's not actually the plans themselves (in life, either) which brings about the essence of what I am looking for - there's something already in motion and Intelligent about it all.  
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Reply #95 on: June 04, 2012, 12:43:08 AM
Hello m1469,

A good part of the 2nd page of this thread deals essentially with being careful and not to emphasize so much being an American? ... trying to blend into the community and being inconspicuous like looking as much Austrian as possible.  I was really a bit surprised at what some of the posts suggested especially:
"The first thing you should know is that everyone everywhere only thinks about money."
suggesting that people may want to take advantage of you because you are American. Sure does diminish the fun part of the trip.  I am sure the statement is borne out of real experience(s), but I feel people in general, at least in many parts of Asia can still be trusted and  are still hospitable enough to do favors without thinking of a corresponding tip or payment. It leaves the impression that one has to be extra careful in Austria/Europe???

May I also say that in many of your posts you express yourself with a sensitivity for the things and feelings which are often brushed aside in this "mad world of instant gratification".  You attempt to understand your core feelings and yearnings which many will consider a "waste of time".  This is reflected again in the your last post above -  "I have to go there, that music and life and some deeper, vital substance to living is what's calling me there". I sometimes go into these - the boundaries of the universe?  the meaning of my existence? BUT almost instantly gets jolted to reality when Enzo asks for money for fare or I am called to supper!! ;D ;D ;D

Happy TRIP!!!


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Reply #96 on: June 04, 2012, 02:01:43 AM
Hello m1469,

A good part of the 2nd page of this thread deals essentially with being careful and not to emphasize so much being an American? ... trying to blend into the community and being inconspicuous like looking as much Austrian as possible.  I was really a bit surprised at what some of the posts suggested especially:
"The first thing you should know is that everyone everywhere only thinks about money."

You are so innocent it is refreshing. Never loose that.

However boots on the ground will come to a different conclusion.

Since the poster(ess) is not doing  the classic "through the bus window" sort of trip, there are some aspects of this type of travel she should know. It's enriching and it's ugly out there. She should know what to expect.

A German sitting next to me at a bar in Hamburg thanked me for the post-war constitution, "the best one we ever had." Another thanked me for saving his life. He was captured on North Africa commanding a German tank and spent the rest of the war in the US in a prison camp.

You won't have these memories looking out a bus window...
"In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks."  John Muir  (We all need to get out more.)

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Reply #97 on: June 04, 2012, 02:45:52 AM
My main purpose, nearly my only purpose, is musical and spiritual.  I'll be on a "path" along those lines and perhaps there will be other people there on a similar path or so, and perhaps not, I really have no idea, but either way, I think it will be important for me.  And, I'm not just trying to create memories like pictures in my head, I am trying to find out more about myself and about life, and I am trying to learn and grow ... hopefully *that* will stay with me forever.
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Reply #98 on: June 05, 2012, 02:19:16 AM
The purpose really is... Weiner Schnitzel.
Favorite new teacher quote -- "You found the only possible wrong answer."

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Reply #99 on: June 05, 2012, 03:17:19 AM
The purpose really is... Weiner Schnitzel.

This is ... true.  ;D
"The greatest thing in this world is not so much where we are, but in what direction we are moving"  ~Oliver Wendell Holmes
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