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Offline loetsj

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Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
on: July 13, 2012, 12:30:51 PM
Hi!

Does anyone here know more pieces such as Beethoven's appasionata, Liszt's Mephisto waltz and Stravinsky's Petrushka (Piano version)?

They're all long and climactic pieces for solo piano. I would like to learn more such pieces.

all the best

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
Do you mean the famous, top level virtuoso repertoire?

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 04:46:02 PM
How about Alkan's Concerto for solo piano.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 05:04:48 PM
Here's a couple

Rachmaninoff sonata 1
Liszt Totentanz
Rachmaninoff sonata 2
Scriabin sonatas 1-4, 5, and 7
Liszt's B minor and Dante sonata
Beethovens pathetique sonata



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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 08:16:08 PM
How about Alkan's Concerto for solo piano.

I believe the OP is looking for something to learn...

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 09:05:44 PM
Schumann's Carnaval.
Medtner's Forgotten Melodies, Op 38.
Liszt's Mephisto Waltz No 1.
Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12
Chopin - Fantasie Impromptu, Nocturn in C sharp minor, Op post
Brahms - Op 118, Nos 2 & 3

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
Balakirev - Islamey
Albeniz - Iberia
Brahms - Scherzo
Schumann - Toccata
Prokofiev - Toccata
Stravinsky - Firebird Suite

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 03:07:59 AM
I believe the OP is looking for something to learn...

I believe the OP clearly doesn't play the piano.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 10:23:43 AM
I believe the OP clearly doesn't play the piano.

Based on what?

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #9 on: July 14, 2012, 02:34:51 PM
Based on what?

Actually - he may have a point. Loetsj's last post only 2 months ago indicated that he was starting piano and that he was currently in the process of working on scales, chords and their inversions...

Seems like a HELL of a leap from playing G Major arpeggios to say Stravinsky's Petrushka... Only saying that because I've actually played it.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #10 on: July 14, 2012, 05:01:22 PM
Only saying that because I've actually played it.

HOW?!?!?!

I've been looking at the score recently and it's freaking impossible!  What the heck?! 
 

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I believe the OP clearly doesn't play the piano

I'm sure he plays the piano, he just can't play Petrouchka.  There's NO WAY you could learn that after starting piano a couple months ago.

It's probably a goal that he wants to strive towards! ;)
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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
If OP browses and takes a look at the syllabi of some Fellowship diplomas (e.g. UK ABRSM and Trinity), then he/she will know a number of pieces of similar level.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #12 on: July 14, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
  :o ::) Does seem like a strange question -because if you can play pieces to that level -you would think there would be enough passion to have discovered the answer for yourself -
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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #13 on: July 14, 2012, 06:45:55 PM
Based on what?

Based on having a brain.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #14 on: July 14, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Based on having a brain.

Quite a condescending remark  :P

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Reply #15 on: July 14, 2012, 11:24:24 PM
Quite a condescending remark  :P

Yes, it was a very condescending remark. Don't do it again.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #16 on: July 15, 2012, 12:32:05 AM
HOW?!?!?!

I've been looking at the score recently and it's freaking impossible!  What the heck?! 

I have been playing for almost 20 years... I spent a year and a half practicing that, the Brahms Paganini variations, a Bach Partita and a Beethoven sonata.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #17 on: July 15, 2012, 02:22:08 AM
Yes, it was a very condescending remark. Don't do it again.

a) Then don't be so feeble.
b) Or what?

Do you sincerely believe that somebody who can't spell Appassionata, who has only been playing for two months, and who goes out of his/her way to differentiate the piano and orchestral versions of Petrouchka in this context:

a) Can play Petrouchka?
b) Assuming (a), is somehow still so unfamiliar with the standard piano repertoire?

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Reply #18 on: July 15, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
a) Then don't be so feeble.
b) Or what?

Do you sincerely believe that somebody who can't spell Appassionata, who has only been playing for two months, and who goes out of his/her way to differentiate the piano and orchestral versions of Petrouchka in this context:

a) Can play Petrouchka?
b) Assuming (a), is somehow still so unfamiliar with the standard piano repertoire?

1. Please don't call me feeble. You know nothing about me.
2. I didn't know that they had only been playing for two months.
3. I don't assume that somebody who has been playing for only two months can play Petrouchka or indeed any of those three pieces the poster listed.
4. I would think it very strange if somebody could play Petrouchka and was yet 'somehow still so unfamiliar with the standard piano repertoire'.
5. I fail to see what the inability to spell the word 'Appassionata' has to do with one's ability to play Petrouchka. There is such a thing as Dyslexia. There is also such a thing as being bad at spelling.
6. I did think it a little odd that the poster was lumping these three rather disparate pieces together and was asking for other such pieces but I tried not to read too much into this.
7. A wise man once said "assumption is the mother of all *** ups".

I hope this clears up the matter.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #19 on: July 15, 2012, 04:53:28 PM

Does anyone here know more pieces such as ...Stravinsky's Petrushka (Piano version)?



it's hard to beat the Guido Agosti transcription Stravinsky's Firebird Suite (Danse Infernale, Berceuse, Finale)

note i replied w this w no consideration of whether or the the op can play it just answering the question on providing something 'similar' in scope, difficulty, length, and in this case 'style'

I love Maria Mazo's version of this

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #20 on: July 15, 2012, 09:09:47 PM
1. You know nothing about me.
7. A wise man once said "assumption is the mother of all *** ups".

Don't be so feeble.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #21 on: July 15, 2012, 10:16:10 PM

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #22 on: July 15, 2012, 10:53:59 PM
it's hard to beat the Guido Agosti transcription Stravinsky's Firebird Suite (Danse Infernale, Berceuse, Finale)

note i replied w this w no consideration of whether or the the op can play it just answering the question on providing something 'similar' in scope, difficulty, length, and in this case 'style'

I love Maria Mazo's version of this


Excellent! Sounds beautiful! I never really liked Stravinsky's music, including the Firebird Suite, but when played on piano it seems to have much more energy.

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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #23 on: July 16, 2012, 12:37:10 AM
Ooooaoaoaoaoaooh!!!  You wouldn't be able to play this, but this is pretty good!

Carl Vine piano concerto 1
Carl vine piano sonata 1
Scriabin's poem of fire
Scriabin's Mysterium
Ravel's Scarbo
Prokofiev's piano concerto 2
Prokofiev's piano concerto 3
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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #24 on: July 16, 2012, 01:55:55 AM
Ooooaoaoaoaoaooh!!!  You wouldn't be able to play this, but this is pretty good!
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Scriabin's Mysterium
...

There's a piano transcription?  :o
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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #25 on: July 16, 2012, 06:16:12 AM
There's a piano transcription?  :o

There's piano in it.

But it would be soooooooo cool if there was a solo piano transcription of it!
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Re: Petrushka, Appasionata and the like
Reply #26 on: July 16, 2012, 06:50:26 AM
But it would be soooooooo cool if there was a solo piano transcription of it!

No you'd cart a piano off to the Himalayas and try to end the world.  ::)

*wonders if a transcription would end the world or have a more limited impact, say just screw up Nevada or somewhere  :-\ *
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