Advice on scale fingerings

[mrscience]

Hi everyone!

I was wondering if I could get some advice regarding the fingerings in a scale "booklet" I'm making for my students.

I'm pretty confident that the major and minors fingerings I've provided are OK, but I'm not so sure about the others (the full PDF includes the major, natural minor, melodic minor, harmonic minor, blues, chromatic, octatonic, whole tone, major pentatonic, minor pentatonic, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, and Locrian scales for one octave). The pentatonics and the blues are particularly foreign to me.
(the file is attached below as scales7-9.pdf)

Obviously I'd welcome any other advice about this as well. If this subject has already been discussed in another topic, please point me in that direction. This is my first time posting here so I am still figuring my way around. Thank you!

[49410enrique]

i would refer to the Walter Macfarren manual on all things scales and arpegios (not the modal ones and jazz ones though). but that's just me.


you should be able to scroll through and check against it. most any patter common pattern you would want or need should be in here. an invaluable resource. and cheap. highly reccommended purchase.

not my scribd (feed). someone else's:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/46844800/Walter-Macfarren-Scale-and-Arpeggio-Manual

he passed away in 1905 so I post this link under the understanding that this is PD. still, it is very cheap to buy i love my copy! https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/Scale-and-Arpeggio-Manual/3144477

[nyiregyhazi]

Didn't get a chance to read though them, but you might find this interesting.

https://pianoscience.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/scale-fingering-made-easy.html

It's about understanding the simple and very consistent logic behind fingering of major and minor scales- rather than simply having to learn reams of individual finger numbers by rote.

[mrscience]

Thank you both for your references. nyiregyhazi, that was a good read! It was interesting to get your perspective on that. Of course, it deals mainly with the scales I'm already confident on: the majors and the natural/melodic/harmonic minors.
The Macferrin scales manual similarly dealt only with the majors, the harmonic minors, and the chromatic, as you mentioned it would--although I was impressed enough to order a copy for myself.

I would appreciate more information. Does anyone have any insight regarding fingerings for the more arcane scales? Specifically:
***Blues
***Octatonic
***Whole Tone
***Major Pentatonic
***Minor Pentatonic

I also would enjoy hearing some feedback on the modal scales, although I think my solution of just flipping the ordinary fingerings for the major scales might be OK:
***Dorian
***Phrygian
***Lydian
***Mixolydian
***Locrian

By the way, 49410enrique, I took a look at the link in your signature--it was nice to see someone else out there enjoys Hisaishi and Uematsu piano arrangements.

[49410enrique]

By the way, 49410enrique, I took a look at the link in your signature--it was nice to see someone else out there enjoys Hisaishi and Uematsu piano arrangements.

you're welcome. sorry i could not help w the modes and jazz. though i would think that keeping in mind conventions like not using 1 or 5 on black notes, etc would prolly be a good place to start.

yes w the modern Japanese media composers (including Hamauzu, Shimomura, and recently Nakayama) i'm the biggest piano fanboy lol

[mrscience]

Does anyone else have feedback on this?

[49410enrique]

Does anyone else have feedback on this?

i have this and just checked it it has scales and oultined fingerings and suggested approaches and related info for what you're asking i believe.

https://shop.abrsm.org/shop/prod/ABRSM-Jazz-Piano-Scales-Grades-1-5/601348

[mrscience]

OK, thank you!

[timothy42b]

Does anyone else have feedback on this?

Maybe.  Could you possibly articulate your purpose for doing this project?  (I'm one of those form follows function types) 

It makes a difference, particularly for scales.