the worst time on your way learning piano

[ethure]

if there is any, what was the most frustrated, or depressed, or unmotivated or rebel, unwilling... moment while youu learn piano? why did it happen? why and how did you keep it on? or do you feel worthwhile to have stopped it(or like, would you feel better if you once did stopped it?)?

[perprocrastinate]

Right now. I feel as if I'm supposed to be ahead, while I'm not.

[davidjosepha]

Basically any time I'm preparing for a performance. I absolutely hate performing, everything about it (except maybe the compliments afterwards ). I always feel pressured to play a piece that is towards the peak of my ability level, and it takes a ton of effort to get it to the level I want it to be at...I just want to forget about that piece forever, but I can't, so I end up hating practicing

[rachmaninoff_forever]

When you spend hours on learning something. 

But you don't make any progress!

[m1469]

There was a time I had to basically decide to just kept taking steps no matter how small and no matter how long I may have stopped to rest.  So far I haven't stopped taking steps.

[rmbarbosa]

Basicaly, when I prepare a new piece of J.S.Bach. I do love Bach music but, when I prepare a new prelude and fugue, it happens to me that I make mistakes, one time at a certain bar, the other time at another bar... Even when I know all the piece and can play it well, mistakes arrive when and where I dont expect... and this makes me mad. Because it isnt because some technical dificulty. Just now I play well, one minute after I pay wrong and dont know why...
And it is not a problem of memory, because I can write the sheet music from memory... Why? Why? why? I dont know...

[m1469]

Just now I play well, one minute after I pay wrong and dont know why...
And it is not a problem of memory, because I can write the sheet music from memory... Why? Why? why? I dont know...

Something I am thinking about very recently, at least in a new way, is the idea of memory vs. musical image.  They are related for sure, but not necessarily the exact same thing.  One is alive and the other is not.  You could be able to completely re-write a score to every detail from memory, while simultaneously not having a sense of its meaning.  I think that memorization is needed and good, but to have a living musical idea is still a different type of security and guiding force while playing; it fills one's consciousness to nearly a point where you can't go wrong, and isn't just about recalling something from the page.  But, how to deepen and develop a musical image vs. just how to memorize seems a bit mysterious.  With singing, even though I don't speak the languages I'm singing in (unless it's English), I must find a way to think in terms of and convey ideas, vs. just memorizing letters or sounds or words (and not just being able to translate to English, either).  This last year has been an interesting lesson in that for me, and there is a relation to piano, as well.

[lloyd_cdb]

Beyond playing, I'm an avid fan of listening to classical piano.  My listening repertoire started to expand faster than my playing capability.  I hit a wall, blamed it on my hand size, and quit for almost a year.  After picking it back up, I played for a few months and then tore my wrist and cursed the world.  8 months later I started playing again and, fascinatingly, I'm playing better than I was 2 years ago.  I think it's because I started trying to learn again instead of trying to play.

[goldentone]

But, how to deepen and develop a musical image vs. just how to memorize seems a bit mysterious.

How would you relate musical image with one's musical conception of the piece?  Musical image is a philosophical cornerstone of Marik's, perhaps the, and it is something I very much have wanted to explore ever since he brought it up.  It strikes me as illusory and even esoteric.  I trust my musical instincts very purely, and I wonder if perhaps musical image, while something I don't have a full grasp of, is functioning subconsciously.  Musical conception, a term in my vernacular, is even effuse, but I understand it broadly in the sense of interpretation, yet more cogent and connective for me as I endeavor to define it and discover it.

 

[hfmadopter]

I progressed rapidly over 10 years time or there abouts. Then I was put on a medication that had to be taken. Well that med just stopped the synchronization process I had been experiencing, not only did it become difficult to learn new music but my existing music suffered as well. Hand and mind did not sync at the same rate at all. So I basically quit for a lot of years.
Then recently at Easter actually, my oldest daughter and X-wife got to speaking with me about piano in general and it has spurred a new interest. I had been to a concert in March where the emotion brought me almost to tears and from that started me thinking of piano anyway. It didn't take much discussion to get me back at the keys.

Admittedly I have to go slower than I did ( I'm also older now) but overall it is coming along. I've long since quitting adjusted to that med. What I'm finding now is slow practice helps more than ever but now I see the music better in my mind and I hear even more so than when I was younger. Still have trouble getting it to the keys on new work, I'm finding ways around that ( breaking the music down differently, different patterns of study which is what I should have done instead of quitting !). I probably will play just to a certain level and be happy with that as I'm making a whole new sound now that I'm kind of liking.

The test will be Christmas Eve, I'm planning a little performance. We have 25 or so people each year to our house on Christmas Eve, most have heard me play in the past, many have not as well. But that will either make it or break it I suspect. If I can pull that off as good or better than I used play in a small group I'm good to go and will move on to larger works !!

[scherzo123]

When you spend hours on learning something. 

But you don't make any progress!

same

[m1469]

How would you relate musical image with one's musical conception of the piece?

An image is something which appears to, in a pure form, and imprints upon our consciousness and subconsciousness, while a conception is something which the consciousness and subconsciousness govern and it is the actual manipulation which happens through personal thinking.  One is self-based, the other is not.
  

Musical image is a philosophical cornerstone of Marik's, perhaps the, and it is something I very much have wanted to explore ever since he brought it up.  It strikes me as illusory and even esoteric.  I trust my musical instincts very purely, and I wonder if perhaps musical image, while something I don't have a full grasp of, is functioning subconsciously.  Musical conception, a term in my vernacular, is even effuse, but I understand it broadly in the sense of interpretation, yet more cogent and connective for me as I endeavor to define it and discover it.

As a sculptor, one can look at an uncarved piece of stone and see an image presented rather than uncarved stone.  Each stroke of carving uncovers eventually this image as manifested reality (what we would think of as reality anyway).  I think a musical image is similar in that it is there in the "stone" and we carve towards that image.  You could say that the work itself which one does is actually the interpretation, whereas a performance in which a musical image is clear has actually surpassed all the steps of interpreting and there is just a pure, all-inclusive musical image which appears as one idea (with all parts working together) to the listener.  

Musical image presented → Interpretation/Manual Labor & rebirth →  Musical Image manifested.
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                                                     I think this point, specifically, is a very common place to stop.

[j_menz]

As a sculptor, one can look at an uncarved piece of stone and see an image presented rather than uncarved stone.  Each stroke of carving uncovers eventually this image as manifested reality (what we would think of as reality anyway).  I think a musical image is similar in that it is there in the "stone" and we carve towards that image.  You could say that the work itself which one does is actually the interpretation, whereas a performance in which a musical image is clear has actually surpassed all the steps of interpreting and there is just a pure, all-inclusive musical image which appears as one idea (with all parts working together) to the listener.  

Musical image presented → Interpretation/Manual Labor & rebirth →  Musical Image manifested.
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                                                     I think this point, specifically, is a very common place to stop.

Michaelangelo certainly saw the sculpting process in this way. There are a couple opf interesting scultures by him which even attempt to show this, with giant figures emerging from, almost breaking out of, blocks of uncarved marble.  I hadn't thought of music in quite those terms before, but I do like the analogy.

[piano_vs_science]

6 years ago when i kept pressing the wrong note, my dad made me stay up really late, practicing it was like living hell.

then i gradually gave up, but i started again and i'm doing grade 4 after 5 months of starting

[ajspiano]

I prepared an entire set of exam works in ~1-2 weeks when I was around 12 or 13yrs old. That was fairly hellish.

[johnmar78]

hummm, The best time I have had was when I have friends that support and appreciate our music and inputs. And the wrost time was when group of hypocritics and arrogant bunch of peopel that lacking in support each other but rather playing dumb hard to get games. This happens a lots in the society. They offers no use but rather self centered.
Sometimes you need to paid them to get the results.  you will get your own medicine back.
I am just sadden by the current society.......I blame  their parents.  -poor upbringing..

[faa2010]

When I have a "short" deadline for learning a piece.

Also when I am looking for support where they don't have enough patience, they tell you things that can low your steem (either true or false), and in the end they cut the communication even though you still want to improve and despite all the efforts you have done to keep in contact.