Help me with stuff

[chopin2015]

Here is a bar from Ondine that I need help figuring out clever fingering to play as fast as possible. Thanks!!!

[chopin2015]

So sorry, forgot to include the time sig!

[j_menz]

If you need help figuring out a "clever fingering" for a relatively straightforward arpeggio (Ravelwise), I doubt you are ready to play it at all.

[49410enrique]

is this for your audition? i'll take a look at this in the evening (i can always use some 'practice' on figuring out fingerings). also if you have a fingering you are using but you just don't like it or it isn't working for whatever reasons, post that too

[perfect_pitch]

If you need help figuring out a "clever fingering" for a relatively straightforward arpeggio (Ravelwise), I doubt you are ready to play it at all.

Yeah - no offence to chopin2015, but by the looks of it, it's a standard A Dominant 7 arpeggio. Fingering for that should be basic.

Although, I am not familiar with the piece, but depending on the speed, I don't think there's anything more obvious. But... so I don't sound like a prick (not that I'm implying j_menz is one)  - I'd suggest for the ascension:

      5   3   2 1           1  2  3 4 1  2  3 4 5
LH: F# C# E G     RH: A C# E G A C# E G A

[chopin2015]

Yeah - no offence to chopin2015, but by the looks of it, it's a standard A Dominant 7 arpeggio. Fingering for that should be basic.

Although, I am not familiar with the piece, but depending on the speed, I don't think there's anything more obvious. But... so I don't sound like a prick (not that I'm implying j_menz is one)  - I'd suggest for the ascension:

      5   3   2 1           1  2  3 4 1  2  3 4 5
LH: F# C# E G     RH: A C# E G A C# E G A

First of all, I am offended.
Second of all I am sorry to waste your time, the fingering I have is (for descending) A5 4 3 2 1 3 2 1 as well, but it was not working for me. Perhaps I should have given it more time....I appreciate your concerns but your opinion was completely unecessary. I remember when you guys made fun of me because I asked help on a nocturne and said that it was harder for me than winter wind etude. B esides this is not that hard. It is just this arpeggio that is giving me trouble because I am unable to play faster here. 
 Thanks!

[j_menz]

Is it a general issue across the arpeggio or is there a particular point that you stumble on?

[ajspiano]

the fingering I have is [standard fingering] as well, but it was not working for me. Perhaps I should have given it more time.... this arpeggio giving me trouble because I am unable to play faster here.

Fingering is not the only reason you may find it difficult to play at speed. - How you use them tends to be pretty significant.

[chopin2015]

Actually I ended up writing some fingerings that work well with the way I generally move across the keyboard, I was having problems freeing up the left hand and the right hand in time to play the octave melody. It was really annoying. But I think all the easy stuff is now over. I am to this part(attached) and it is confusing me rhythmically. Listening to the piece has not helped on this part yet, but maybe someone can help me or I will be patient. My teacher is out of town for a while and I am getting frustrated!!

[rachmaninoff_forever]

 This is what I think...

If you like something, you should learn it irrespective of how hard it is.

[chopin2015]

This is what I think...

If you like something, you should learn it irrespective of how hard it is.

 I agree. Besides, if it is hard-you will probably learn some new tricks working through it!

[quantum]

I was having problems freeing up the left hand and the right hand in time to play the octave melody.

With something like this it is sometimes not what your fingers are playing, but what your hand is doing when it is not playing.  We can easily ignore a hand, arm, finger, etc. when it is inactive, and it is that lack of attention that leads us into trouble.  What you need to be doing is using that time of non-playing to prepare for the next episode of work, before that work comes due.  

I am to this part(attached) and it is confusing me rhythmically. Listening to the piece has not helped on this part yet, but maybe someone can help me or I will be patient.

The RH is in even 32nds grouped in 4.  The LH contains a triplet 16th followed by two non-tuplet (regular) 16ths.  When you put them hands together: the first group is a 4 against 3 polyrhythm, and the next group is 4 32nds against 2 16ths.  

[danhuyle]

Put it this way, you've found a part that's pushing you to push your limits.

What you do is leave that passage, work on the other parts of the piece, then come back to it once you have the other parts of the piece.

[chopin2015]

With something like this it is sometimes not what your fingers are playing, but what your hand is doing when it is not playing.  We can easily ignore a hand, arm, finger, etc. when it is inactive, and it is that lack of attention that leads us into trouble.  What you need to be doing is using that time of non-playing to prepare for the next episode of work, before that work comes due.  


The RH is in even 32nds grouped in 4.  The LH contains a triplet 16th followed by two non-tuplet (regular) 16ths.  When you put them hands together: the first group is a 4 against 3 polyrhythm, and the next group is 4 32nds against 2 16ths.  

YES!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I have rhythm dyslexia!! Thank you!!!! :DDDDDDDD

[chopin2015]

Put it this way, you've found a part that's pushing you to push your limits.

What you do is leave that passage, work on the other parts of the piece, then come back to it once you have the other parts of the piece.

That is true! I am certainly enjoying working on this piece, it has been pleasantly challenging.