How do you deal with different time signatures?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Okay so...  This is how it is...

I played my 20th century piece for my teacher for the first time.  And surprisingly, he didn't smash me!  But he did tell me that since the right hand is in 6/8, and the left hand is in 3/4, they're not supposed to sound even.  Instead, they're supposed to sound really ugly together.  Kinda like trying to fit the wrong key in the wrong lock.  So they're supposed to sound uneven?  You know what I mean?  

So this is where you guys come in...  How do you think I should approach this?  And I don't want anyone not responding to this, because I know one of you know the answer!  And if you think you're cool, and you're gonna be selfish and keep this knowledge to your self, then you have nowhere to hide!  I'll get anonymous to track you down!  

Got that kids?!  

[thesixthsensemusic]

Mathematically these time signatures are identical. I believe the difference is not in the tempo but in what beat is supposed to get the emphasis, just like with a 4/4 being a marching rhythm and a 2/2 a two-step rhythm even though one would normally say they're the same time signature.

[quantum]

Sounds like you've got a Vertical Hemiola.  

Agree with the above, the difference is where the accented beat lies.  

Find the lowest common denominator, which can be your "pulse".  In the 3/4 and 6/8 case it is the 8th note.  

3/4 your accents are:
1 2 3 4 5 6

6/8 your accents are:
1 2 3 4 5 6

[j_menz]

In 6/8, the rhythm is TA ti ti TA ti ti  (ie, 123123); in 3/4 the rhythm (for quavers) is TA ti TA ti TA ti (121212).

In short, the accents fall in different places other than the first note. So it's like a polyrhythm, but the notes line up.  You need to bring out the different rhythms.

[chopin2015]

Just get two metronomes, set each one to same tempo but assign each their own time signature, start them at the same time and see what happens! I think I want to try that now!

[chopin2015]

Also, I have always wanted to play at 439 bpms. 

[quantum]

Two hands and one brain connected to them would be far more effective in learning the skill than two dissociated metronomes. 

[chopin2015]

How are they disassociated if they start on the same beat and line up at their proper times, repeat.

[quantum]

Two physically distinct metronomes do not have a medium of which to negotiate their operation through the duration of their exercise.  You can try to set them to start at the same time, but they will still operate independently.  There will be no means of self error correction for these metronomes.  They will not be able to adjust for inaccuracies in calibration, and inaccuracies in the initial human start up action. 

The human brain is capable of making all these micro adjustments with far more responsiveness, simplicity in execution, and sensitivity to environmental stimuli such pair of metronomes.

[chopin2015]

Two physically distinct metronomes do not have a medium of which to negotiate their operation through the duration of their exercise.  You can try to set them to start at the same time, but they will still operate independently.  There will be no means of self error correction for these metronomes.  They will not be able to adjust for inaccuracies in calibration, and inaccuracies in the initial human start up action.  

The human brain is capable of making all these micro adjustments with far more responsiveness, simplicity in execution, and sensitivity to environmental stimuli such pair of metronomes.

 Yes but I am not asking these metronomes to play a song for me! Besides, there is no possible way a human can be absolutely on time, due to those small compensations for the complexity of the body and the brain as opposed to a machine that is calculated to do so.   I think you are right but I really was just being absurd in the first place.  

Thus, the human brain can account for calibration inaccuracies, it can figure out how to start 2 metronomes at the same time. 

[j_menz]

This is a particular case where the distinction between timing and rhythm is brought to the fore. Reliance on a metronome, or two metronomes, or a whole bucketload of metronomes will only assist with the timing. The real problem is the rhythms, and that is only doable with your brain and hands.

[chopin2015]

Is it true that water of the toilet in Australia swirls counter clock-wise instead of clock-wise? 

[j_menz]

Is it true that water of the toilet in Australia swirls counter clock-wise instead of clock-wise? 

We actually have more than one. 

[ajspiano]

Is it true that water of the toilet in Australia swirls counter clock-wise instead of clock-wise? 

"Australia" is not the issue...  nor are "toilets"

Forgive me if I'm wrong on whether this is the right concept, but I think you need to review the Coriolis effect.

[49410enrique]

We actually have more than one.  

Maybe she meant "THE" toilet as a collective term for all the toilets the make up The Great Toilet Wall? and not "the" toilet.

[chopin2015]

I meant the toilet that you have in your home, not the toilet on the great wall, the green one in the left corner, 10th row...WHATEVER!  Coriolis effect was interesting. Thank you, ajspiano. But I am now confused as to what the earth's movement has to do with which way the water spins where. I figured it was just the mechanics of (the freaking toilet) were different. I understand my suggestion about checking out 2 metronomes together was an odd one. 

[j_menz]

The mechanical properties of the sink/basin/tub/pool/toilet are usually more important than the Coriolus effect, as well may be prevailing weather conditions and any other disruption.  That is why the direction may well be any way, anywhere.

The coriolus effect is real though and adds into the equation. On a larger scale, it will dominate, which is why hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones circle in different directions in the two hemispheres.

[ajspiano]

But I am now confused as to what the earth's movement has to do with which way the water spins where. I figured it was just the mechanics of (the freaking toilet) were different.

As j_menz points out its not the only factor..  but as far as whether location is a factor, that is the part that matters - because the direction is different depending on which hemisphere you are in. Its difficult to illustrate on a small scale because the earth is so large that its impossible really for us to comprehend the fact that we are actually spinning really damn fast - and that that movement has an impact on how objects behave on a smaller scale...  nor can we just go to the equator with a neutral sink and step either side of the line..

Its more obvious in weather patterns, or the ocean, because its not as if we can build a giant sink to direct an entire ocean in a certain way..

When things are on a smaller scale, and other forces can be significant enough to direct the flow, the direction of the swirl will be based on a combination of forces applied to the water (such as the sink/toilet construction) - which ever force is larger will prevail.

[chopin2015]

As j_menz points out its not the only factor..  but as far as whether location is a factor, that is the part that matters - because the direction is different depending on which hemisphere you are in. Its difficult to illustrate on a small scale because the earth is so large that its impossible really for us to comprehend the fact that we are actually spinning really damn fast - and that that movement has an impact on how objects behave on a smaller scale...  nor can we just go to the equator with a neutral sink and step either side of the line..

Its more obvious in weather patterns, or the ocean, because its not as if we can build a giant sink to direct an entire ocean in a certain way..

When things are on a smaller scale, and other forces can be significant enough to direct the flow, the direction of the swirl will be based on a combination of forces applied to the water (such as the sink/toilet construction) - which ever force is larger will prevail.

precisely, on a smaller scale it is much more rare to observe the effects...so I was inclined to believe it were the mechanics that have the overall physical effect here...much more interesting to know from your perspective, though. Thanks! And sorry for getting off topic, all!

[cody_wickham]

Shouldn't you guys be addressing the OP's topic? addres 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

The mechanical properties of the sink/basin/tub/pool/toilet are usually more important than the Coriolus effect, as well may be prevailing weather conditions and any other disruption.  That is why the direction may well be any way, anywhere.

The coriolus effect is real though and adds into the equation. On a larger scale, it will dominate, which is why hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones circle in different directions in the two hemispheres.

You freaking thief!!!

Stealing the words out of my mouth like that... 

You're lucky you don't live in America.  Otherwise I would've called the cops on you!

[j_menz]

Shouldn't you guys be addressing the OP's topic?

Already fully covered. Nothing more to add.

[j_menz]

You freaking thief!!!

Stealing the words out of my mouth like that... 

You're lucky you don't live in America.  Otherwise I would've called the cops on you!

Methinks you would have used different words. I, for example, managed to get two whole paragraphs out without using either "salty" or "freaking". You have yet to prove you can do that. 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Methinks you would have used different words. I, for example, managed to get two whole paragraphs out without using either "salty" or "freaking". You have yet to prove you can do that. 

I got you dude.