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Offline banof

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Help with new piece
on: November 05, 2012, 06:02:35 AM
Okay!
Well i've been playing piano and taking lessons for around 7-8 years now (I'm 16). Only about a half a year of this has been serious training (2-3 hrs of practice a day). A little while ago I realized that I want to major in music in some of the better universities, so i really needed to up my game. I had composed around 200 to 300 2-4 minute pieces by this time, however, they were not classical in a sense of music theory. For a long time I had just been focusing on my own pieces, when my piano teacher told me that if I wanted to improve my skill in composing, I had to learn other pieces. So i started from the basics again, Turkish March. When he went on tour I decided to challenge myself, so I tried to play Chopin's Revolutionary etude as well as Fantasie impromptu, which I did both perfectly. After those, which took me roughly 3 to 4 months total to complete, I started to play Liszt's Un sospiro. (Needless to say, my composing has sky rocketed, and often when I play snipetts of my own peices during class, he confuses them with actual great composers.)
So my question is, based off of this exponential growth in music, do you think that by the end of Un sospiro (around 1-2 more months) I will be ready for Transcendental etude no. 10? I've tried to play the first 4 bars, which I hear are the key to the whole piece, and ive been doing well. I just don't want to get myself stuck in a dump or something.

Thanks.

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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 10:23:25 PM
I just don't want to get myself stuck in a dump or something.

Given your ego, this seems unlikely.

Please post you "perfect" version of the FI and Revolutionary in the Audition room. I've only ever heard them played by mortals.
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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
...Only about a half a year of this has been serious training ...
oh man. that's what i've been doing wrong. i've been dong un-serious training, or have i been untraining unseriously, or is it serious un-training....my head hurts.

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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 02:39:47 AM
Woowwwww man i just realized what an egotistic loser i sounded like, next time ill proof read. Sorry. Basically what I meant was that I played those relatively well and not like some person who just tried for the heck of it and did poorly. And by serious training i meant that for many years I had just been schlepping myself, didn't really enjoy practicing and didn't practise much (maybe 30 mins aday). I included the part about my composing so that you guys would take me seriously and not think, "oh yeah he probably just writes like rap/rock chord progressions."
I just wanted to know if from there, its too big of a jump, and maybe play something in between, or not.
sorry for sounding like an ass and being unclear.

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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 02:50:57 AM
Woowwwww man i just realized what an egotistic loser i sounded like, next time ill proof read. Sorry. Basically what I meant was that I played those relatively well and not like some person who just tried for the heck of it and did poorly. And by serious training i meant that for many years I had just been schlepping myself, didn't really enjoy practicing and didn't practise much (maybe 30 mins aday). I included the part about my composing so that you guys would take me seriously and not think, "oh yeah he probably just writes like rap/rock chord progressions."
I just wanted to know if from there, its too big of a jump, and maybe play something in between, or not.
sorry for sounding like an ass and being unclear.

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Sorry to have pounced - you caught me early into my coffee!

I'd suggest you have a look at TE10 yourself (you can download it free from IMSLP if you don't have a copy). Plat through it a few times. That should tell you whether its going to be a manageable stretch or whether there are bits that look pretty insurmountable.  If the former, go for it; if the latter then think about what those bits are that make them too hard and look for easier pieces that focus on those aspects as a starter before returning to TE10. 

If you do go for it straight off, review after a month to see whether you then come to the same conclusion. Sometimes you need to put a piece aside for a bit.
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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 03:34:18 AM
Thanks a ton! Also I was wondering where you would rank Scriabin's Etude opus 8 number 12. Is it between Un sospiro and TE10 or easier or something. I absolutely love the piece and was wondering if it could serve as a stepping stone.
Thanks again.

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Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 04:22:56 AM
Thanks a ton! Also I was wondering where you would rank Scriabin's Etude opus 8 number 12. Is it between Un sospiro and TE10 or easier or something. I absolutely love the piece and was wondering if it could serve as a stepping stone.
Thanks again.

Give it a go yourself. If you are able to play it, you are able to judge.
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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 11:57:49 PM
serious training (2-3 hrs of practice a day)

How do you do the "serious training?" We can't tell if it's serious by the quantity, but the quality.  8)
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Re: Help with new piece
Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 05:26:08 AM
I played Scriabin Etude Op8 No12 way before I even touched Liszt TE10 and Un Sospiro; that Scriabin Etude is child's play in comparison to those Liszt Etudes. Never played Un Sospiro and Fantaisie Impromptu.

Great work in writing 300 pieces.  :)
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