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Offline sasuke_10

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Chopin competition
« on: December 16, 2012, 01:40:51 PM »
If you are an amateur pianist, can you partisipate in the Chopin Competition?

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #1 on: December 16, 2012, 02:12:26 PM »
HIGHFIVE
I want to also.
Well as long as you're 18, and you send convincing recordings.
(i think 18)

also you need to have alot of chopin repoirtore covered.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 09:41:37 PM »
Hi there! Well, first, you probably have high expectations but I think it might be better for you if you won't participate. ::)  I mean, this is a tough competition and amateur pianists really don't fit as worldwide class pianists compete here for a place in the pianistic history like Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Ohlsson, Pogorelich. I don't want to discourage you but this is way beyond the mentioned repertoire and even though you have 'a lot of chopin repertoire covered', that needs to be brought to a incredible level of artistry. I will participate as I have 10 mazurkas, all the waltzes, all the etudes, preludes Op.28 No.9-24, the Fantasie in f minor, all the polonaises excepting Op.26 No.2 and the posthumus ones, a big amount of nocturnes, the second and third piano sonatas, the barcarolle, berceuse, rondo op.1,5,16, all the ballades, scherzos no.3,4 and both concertos, all to a very detailed aproach. I play chopin since I was 7 and now I am 17 and I have also other substantial pieces in my hands. Again, I don't want to discourage but you should think about it as it's the biggest step a concert pianist can take.
Current repertoire:
Bach Toccata in E minor
Beethoven Sonata op.110
Rachmaninov Corelli Variations
Liszt Paganini Etudes No.2 and 6.
Strauss Burlesque in d minor, Brahms piano concerto No.2.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #3 on: December 18, 2012, 03:07:32 AM »
Hi there! Well, first, you probably have high expectations but I think it might be better for you if you won't participate. ::)  I mean, this is a tough competition and amateur pianists really don't fit as worldwide class pianists compete here for a place in the pianistic history like Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Ohlsson, Pogorelich. I don't want to discourage you but this is way beyond the mentioned repertoire and even though you have 'a lot of chopin repertoire covered', that needs to be brought to a incredible level of artistry. I will participate as I have 10 mazurkas, all the waltzes, all the etudes, preludes Op.28 No.9-24, the Fantasie in f minor, all the polonaises excepting Op.26 No.2 and the posthumus ones, a big amount of nocturnes, the second and third piano sonatas, the barcarolle, berceuse, rondo op.1,5,16, all the ballades, scherzos no.3,4 and both concertos, all to a very detailed aproach. I play chopin since I was 7 and now I am 17 and I have also other substantial pieces in my hands. Again, I don't want to discourage but you should think about it as it's the biggest step a concert pianist can take.
That's an awful lot of repertoire for a 17 year old...who's your teacher? I mean, I'm a professional pianist now and I don't know that much Chopin (I would learn all of it if I was that crazy about Chopin of course ;)) but still...to play all that repertoire you must be ready for a lot of concerto repertoire. How about starting with Beethoven 4th and Rach 2?

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #4 on: December 18, 2012, 03:10:13 AM »
Hi there! Well, first, you probably have high expectations but I think it might be better for you if you won't participate. ::)  I mean, this is a tough competition and amateur pianists really don't fit as worldwide class pianists compete here for a place in the pianistic history like Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Ohlsson, Pogorelich. I don't want to discourage you but this is way beyond the mentioned repertoire and even though you have 'a lot of chopin repertoire covered', that needs to be brought to a incredible level of artistry. I will participate as I have 10 mazurkas, all the waltzes, all the etudes, preludes Op.28 No.9-24, the Fantasie in f minor, all the polonaises excepting Op.26 No.2 and the posthumus ones, a big amount of nocturnes, the second and third piano sonatas, the barcarolle, berceuse, rondo op.1,5,16, all the ballades, scherzos no.3,4 and both concertos, all to a very detailed aproach. I play chopin since I was 7 and now I am 17 and I have also other substantial pieces in my hands. Again, I don't want to discourage but you should think about it as it's the biggest step a concert pianist can take.
And another suggestion: Learn the rest of the preludes (the first ones are easy so it won't take you long) and perform the cycle. You could make a 2 hour all-Chopin concert program (that's pretty long) out of that, and a bunch of selections from the rest of your Chopin repertoire before the intermission (I suggest finishing with the A-flat Polonaise ;)).

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #5 on: December 18, 2012, 03:12:10 AM »
Hi there! Well, first, you probably have high expectations but I think it might be better for you if you won't participate. ::)  I mean, this is a tough competition and amateur pianists really don't fit as worldwide class pianists compete here for a place in the pianistic history like Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Ohlsson, Pogorelich. I don't want to discourage you but this is way beyond the mentioned repertoire and even though you have 'a lot of chopin repertoire covered', that needs to be brought to a incredible level of artistry. I will participate as I have 10 mazurkas, all the waltzes, all the etudes, preludes Op.28 No.9-24, the Fantasie in f minor, all the polonaises excepting Op.26 No.2 and the posthumus ones, a big amount of nocturnes, the second and third piano sonatas, the barcarolle, berceuse, rondo op.1,5,16, all the ballades, scherzos no.3,4 and both concertos, all to a very detailed aproach. I play chopin since I was 7 and now I am 17 and I have also other substantial pieces in my hands. Again, I don't want to discourage but you should think about it as it's the biggest step a concert pianist can take.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #6 on: December 18, 2012, 03:31:42 AM »
you can always start here and if you crush it then you could talk to the judges or other professionals there if you're up to standard.

im not discouraging you, just saying, warming up before picking the heavy weight up might not be a bad idea...


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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #7 on: December 18, 2012, 03:40:10 AM »
Now where the heck did I put that butchers knife?

What a cop out. Go get planning permission for your concert hall atop Everest instead. If you're gonna end it all, end it all.
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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 03:41:19 AM »
I'm interested in hearing from that 17 year old who knows enough Chopin to fill a shelf (okay that's an exaggeration ;)).

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #9 on: December 18, 2012, 06:22:52 AM »
Yes... It's enormous... And regarding that Beethoven 4 and Rach 2 stuff, I learnt only a couple of Mozart concertos, Liszt 1, Beethoven 5, the Both Chopin concertos and Prokofiev 3 so these concertos might be interesting and less challenging to play. I'm a professional pianist as long as I practice almost 11 hours a day in my ordinary days. It's like a routine but I love it.  ;) The single thing is that I have been playing piano since I was 3 and first played a Mozat concerto with the orchestra at 7 yo. But, as I said, my weight loss is a big problem for me as I don't feel I can mantain all that repertorie. 
Current repertoire:
Bach Toccata in E minor
Beethoven Sonata op.110
Rachmaninov Corelli Variations
Liszt Paganini Etudes No.2 and 6.
Strauss Burlesque in d minor, Brahms piano concerto No.2.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #10 on: December 18, 2012, 10:25:34 AM »
Hi there! Well, first, you probably have high expectations but I think it might be better for you if you won't participate. ::)  I mean, this is a tough competition and amateur pianists really don't fit as worldwide class pianists compete here for a place in the pianistic history like Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Ohlsson, Pogorelich. I don't want to discourage you but this is way beyond the mentioned repertoire and even though you have 'a lot of chopin repertoire covered', that needs to be brought to a incredible level of artistry. I will participate as I have 10 mazurkas, all the waltzes, all the etudes, preludes Op.28 No.9-24, the Fantasie in f minor, all the polonaises excepting Op.26 No.2 and the posthumus ones, a big amount of nocturnes, the second and third piano sonatas, the barcarolle, berceuse, rondo op.1,5,16, all the ballades, scherzos no.3,4 and both concertos, all to a very detailed aproach. I play chopin since I was 7 and now I am 17 and I have also other substantial pieces in my hands. Again, I don't want to discourage but you should think about it as it's the biggest step a concert pianist can take.
MWAHA just trying to dissuade us, you can participate sasuke!
On a serious note, I won't make it for sure, but if I do, people will be surprised the way i play. Cus its different. especially etudes. though maybe ill be surprised and they'll be even weird people like pogorelich lol

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #11 on: December 19, 2012, 03:21:16 AM »
Yes... It's enormous... And regarding that Beethoven 4 and Rach 2 stuff, I learnt only a couple of Mozart concertos, Liszt 1, Beethoven 5, the Both Chopin concertos and Prokofiev 3 so these concertos might be interesting and less challenging to play. I'm a professional pianist as long as I practice almost 11 hours a day in my ordinary days. It's like a routine but I love it.  ;) The single thing is that I have been playing piano since I was 3 and first played a Mozat concerto with the orchestra at 7 yo. But, as I said, my weight loss is a big problem for me as I don't feel I can mantain all that repertorie. 
Rach 2 is not less challenging than any of those, I can assure you.
However, maybe you should even learn Rach 3...practicing 11 hours a day...
I'd wait a few years on that though. ;) Rach 2 for now.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #12 on: December 19, 2012, 12:35:55 PM »
Hi there! Well, first, you probably have high expectations but I think it might be better for you if you won't participate. ::)  I mean, this is a tough competition and amateur pianists really don't fit as worldwide class pianists compete here for a place in the pianistic history like Argerich, Pollini, Zimmerman, Ohlsson, Pogorelich. I don't want to discourage you but this is way beyond the mentioned repertoire and even though you have 'a lot of chopin repertoire covered', that needs to be brought to a incredible level of artistry. I will participate as I have 10 mazurkas, all the waltzes, all the etudes, preludes Op.28 No.9-24, the Fantasie in f minor, all the polonaises excepting Op.26 No.2 and the posthumus ones, a big amount of nocturnes, the second and third piano sonatas, the barcarolle, berceuse, rondo op.1,5,16, all the ballades, scherzos no.3,4 and both concertos, all to a very detailed aproach. I play chopin since I was 7 and now I am 17 and I have also other substantial pieces in my hands. Again, I don't want to discourage but you should think about it as it's the biggest step a concert pianist can take.
I don't care if he's world-class, if Zimerman can win, anyone has a chance.
I'm curious to hear your ballades btw.
"Artistry."
I wouldn't use that word often, especially not in a way to show your superiority to others.

And he certainly did not mention high expectations, perhaps its because you have high expectations because you think you are superior to the other competitors?

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #13 on: December 19, 2012, 03:18:40 PM »
I don't care if he's world-class, if Zimerman can win, anyone has a chance.

Not nice towards a colleague, thesuineg. He may not be your favorite pianist, but surely, he doesn't play that badly?

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 08:02:49 PM »
First, thesuineg, I'm a 'she'. I don't consider myself superior than others and as a fact, I had many many complexes behind so I am just a simple pianist wich devoted her whole life in playing piano. I didn't use artistry to describe my way of playing, or anything related to me, I used it for Argerich, Zimermman and other worldwide pianists. Oh and if Zimerman won isn't for his simple participation, it's for his marvelous perlature and conception of phrases.  And the 'expectation' thing, I used it for Glenn Gould who participated with high expectations and failed. So, I least have explanations for your mean words.
PS: While you will write me another mean comment, I will play the ballades to be sure I will reach your level of artistry.  ;)
Current repertoire:
Bach Toccata in E minor
Beethoven Sonata op.110
Rachmaninov Corelli Variations
Liszt Paganini Etudes No.2 and 6.
Strauss Burlesque in d minor, Brahms piano concerto No.2.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #15 on: December 19, 2012, 08:09:02 PM »
And I don't know if I can play even Rach 2. I won't attempt Rach until I am sure I have more concertos in my hand. Many pianists rush with Rachmaninoff concertos but I won't do so.  :)
Current repertoire:
Bach Toccata in E minor
Beethoven Sonata op.110
Rachmaninov Corelli Variations
Liszt Paganini Etudes No.2 and 6.
Strauss Burlesque in d minor, Brahms piano concerto No.2.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #16 on: December 20, 2012, 02:07:21 AM »
First, thesuineg, I'm a 'she'. I don't consider myself superior than others and as a fact, I had many many complexes behind so I am just a simple pianist wich devoted her whole life in playing piano. I didn't use artistry to describe my way of playing, or anything related to me, I used it for Argerich, Zimermman and other worldwide pianists. Oh and if Zimerman won isn't for his simple participation, it's for his marvelous perlature and conception of phrases.  And the 'expectation' thing, I used it for Glenn Gould who participated with high expectations and failed. So, I least have explanations for your mean words.
PS: While you will write me another mean comment, I will play the ballades to be sure I will reach your level of artistry.  ;)
-not related, but rachmaninoff himself probably has the fastest rendition. though i suppose by rushing you mean, starting slower than they get in the middle.

Sorry ma'am :/ you're name had the name lad so ...
Its not like i only write mean comments sheesh, i was just annoyed that you were trying to discourage him/her.....he's an amatuer pianist, so? you really thought he expected to win?

oh horowitz had complexes too haha, its a good sign of vast talent :P

but you used "artistry" again....

Zimerman won because of flawless technique and (a rather annoying) perfectly clear tone. He does almost nothing to reveal structure in a piece, and almost always focuses on showing off his "interpretation." My opinion only, but I strongly dislike him. not related to you....

glenn gould participated? im surprised.
and ofc he couldn't win such haha...

I'm eager to hear them. 3rd mainly. tell me if you post them :D

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #17 on: December 20, 2012, 08:14:22 AM »
-not related, but rachmaninoff himself probably has the fastest rendition. though i suppose by rushing you mean, starting slower than they get in the middle.

Sorry ma'am :/ you're name had the name lad so ...
Its not like i only write mean comments sheesh, i was just annoyed that you were trying to discourage him/her.....he's an amatuer pianist, so? you really thought he expected to win?

oh horowitz had complexes too haha, its a good sign of vast talent :P

but you used "artistry" again....

Zimerman won because of flawless technique and (a rather annoying) perfectly clear tone. He does almost nothing to reveal structure in a piece, and almost always focuses on showing off his "interpretation." My opinion only, but I strongly dislike him. not related to you....

glenn gould participated? im surprised.
and ofc he couldn't win such haha...

I'm eager to hear them. 3rd mainly. tell me if you post them :D

Oh, I didn't want to say that pianists rush with Rach concertos as tempo, I wanted to say they hurry on playing them at a fragile age. I won't play them until I feel I will be ready.
And I mentioned that I don't want to discourage him/her. That was my opinion on this topic. :)
I used artistry to be ironic though, not to express my level in playing piano.
I don't know if my english is clear enough as you didn't understand and reversed the meaning of some phrases. ::)
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Bach Toccata in E minor
Beethoven Sonata op.110
Rachmaninov Corelli Variations
Liszt Paganini Etudes No.2 and 6.
Strauss Burlesque in d minor, Brahms piano concerto No.2.

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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #18 on: December 21, 2012, 07:23:54 AM »
"phrases" lol....
oh you were being sarcastic.
Tell me how you do when you participate, then.
Don't worry you'll get better :D


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Re: Chopin competition
«Reply #19 on: December 21, 2012, 07:27:50 AM »
If you are an amateur pianist, can you partisipate in the Chopin Competition?

You could first try out the Chopin Competition for Amateurs. We have a topic on that right here: http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=48159.0

Don't be mistaken, though: the level is quite high.

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