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Offline drexo

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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #100 on: January 07, 2013, 05:39:18 PM »
Religion wars - there's a lot of them and will keep occuring while millions of people belief in their god. The other people are wrong, we are right.. Let's fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War


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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #101 on: January 08, 2013, 03:28:46 AM »
Too lazy to read the last two pages (I'm assuming it's a religious debate). 

After having read wayyyyy too much bullshit about "actual accounts of the afterlife, and of heaven", I can't let myself succumb and believe in that.  We are already slowly picking away (like it or not) at explanations made thousands of years ago for phenonema today.  We KNOW what a planet is, we KNOW that we a tiny fleck in a tiny fleck among other tiny flecks, and we know that there isn't a 'scary river of lava'. 

Anyways, I think once people have 'passed on', it's just an eternal peace.  Like, PURE peace.  You aren't even aware at that point, you are just no more. 
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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #102 on: January 08, 2013, 03:53:16 AM »


Anyways, I think once people have 'passed on', it's just an eternal peace.  Like, PURE peace.  You aren't even aware at that point, you are just no more.  

I actually don't like the term "passed on"

You didn't "pass on", you DIED!

"passed on" is a term used for people who can't accept the truth.  It's used so people can run away from reality instead of actually dealing with stuff.  And it's insinscere.
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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #103 on: January 08, 2013, 04:02:55 AM »
I suppose you could say it's fairly solid....

People don't come back.

I would guess they can't come back.  Maybe they don't want to, but I would think some would and would have attempted that by now whatever the cost. 

Or they don't come back in a way we're aware of.

Or after death people aren't the same as they were before, as in losing memories of themselves.

I'd lean toward there being some kind of natural laws for everything.  And something would prevent the reverse situation, coming back.  Which would mean an individual isn't capable of doing that (or we're not aware of it).  Even groups... millions, billions, trillions, etc.  I would imagine people would have teamed up too if possible and tried something.

Although that's also assuming people have contact with others after death.  Maybe there's nothing.  Or maybe it's total isolation.  Who knows....
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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #104 on: January 08, 2013, 07:46:37 AM »
No she won't!!!

She's gonna divorce her husband and marry me! >:(
I hadn't realised that; you didn't mention it. That said, it occurs to me that marrying someone that one has never met has clear overtones of the "arranged marriage" that is still acceptable in a few societies but deeply deplored in the West, so I am surprised that she would contemplate entering into such an arrangement.

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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #105 on: January 08, 2013, 06:46:43 PM »
I suppose you could say it's fairly solid....

People don't come back.

I would guess they can't come back.  Maybe they don't want to, but I would think some would and would have attempted that by now whatever the cost. 

Or they don't come back in a way we're aware of.

Or after death people aren't the same as they were before, as in losing memories of themselves.

I'd lean toward there being some kind of natural laws for everything.  And something would prevent the reverse situation, coming back.  Which would mean an individual isn't capable of doing that (or we're not aware of it).  Even groups... millions, billions, trillions, etc.  I would imagine people would have teamed up too if possible and tried something.

Although that's also assuming people have contact with others after death.  Maybe there's nothing.  Or maybe it's total isolation.  Who knows....

The term "afterlife" is already dubious to me. Life already ended when death came along.

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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #106 on: January 13, 2013, 01:04:58 AM »
I'm wondering where the point was that "souls" were plugged into living things.  We're human, evolved form humaniods or whatever... back to fuzzy mammals, crawling things, fish, worms, etc.  When was it that a soul got plugged into that?  You could go beyond worms to multicell, then single cell organisms. 
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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #107 on: January 13, 2013, 11:37:04 PM »
Wow a lot of new posts again! Thanks for your comments everyone!  :)

...she'll become a bigamist.

Anyway, to return swiftly to the topic - if in "the afterlife" a composer cannot manage to come up with anything better than the anæmic, insipid, techniqueless and thoroughly boring excrescences that the late Rosemary Brown sought to attribute to "Liszt" et al, then "the afterlife" sure ain't for me!

Or, as someone else once said when asked the same question as posed in the thread topic, "I'm not enjoying it much"...

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Don't worry Alistair, you can always be reborn again! And besides I think that's kinda too difficult for someone to get all the notes right and everyhting from someone in the afterlife, I mean that's like a different dimension... maybe everything is so much more complicated there that here it just doesn't come out right.  :P

Because we stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before, how we live our life gives honor to them. Our parents, grand parents, etc., live on in us. In that way they have eternal life. We keep them alive by following their best precepts and making a better life for ourselves.

It goes without saying that I extend my sincerest sympathy to those who have experienced recent losses.

Thank you Oxy! I'm pretty sure that the life we have is eternal, I don't think it could just disappear and stop existing! Cause if the lives of the ones before us would stop existing we would stop existing too!  :)


One possible view of an afterlife is that it is independent of time.  And that our essential being is what is there (a synonym for soul?  Perhaps), and that all of our potentials are available to us.


Well I don't know if it is independent of time but for sure time would have to be completely different than it is here. The way I think of it is that "our" time would become like space there and there would be a different kind of time instead. I don't know...

Three books well worth reading on this are "An Experiment with Time" by J.W. Dunne, "Over the Long High Wall" by J.B. Priestley and "I am a Strange Loop" by Douglas Hofstadter. Littletune, your mirror analogy is remarkably close to the kernel idea in Hofstadter's book. Read it if you get a chance, you would get a lot out of it. Dunne argues that the existence of precognitive data in dreams implies the immortality of the soul, or subjective consciousness. Priestley embraces Dunne's conjecture and adds a few perceptive touches of his own. Whatever you actually believe, or think you ought to believe, all three books are insightful and provocative without requiring academic or philosophical background.
Thank you Ted!  :) really? what I wrote is close to something in a book?! that's cool!  8)  :P I have to try to read that!!!  :)


It doesn't too realistic, but then it's the afterlife.  I think it would get old after awhile to have everything your way all the time.

Yes but i think some people say that that's kinda the reason why we get reborn. And I don't know if you have everything you want in the afterlife, maybe everything you wanted here, but not everything you would want there.  :P

I have to go now, I will be back soon.  :P

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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #108 on: January 13, 2013, 11:55:57 PM »
after reading about that quasar cluster discovery this week..  at 4 billion light-years in diameter..  I feel I'd be a little bit arrogant to assume that I'm significant enough for a higher being to provide me with a special place for an afterlife in any form whatsoever..

..I suppose the space thing is probably a hoax though. Scientists... always trying to prove things.

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"The largest known structure in the universe has just been discovered, and is so large that it completely violates a number of widely-accepted theories. It’s a large quasar group (LQG), that’s so enormous that it would take someone traveling at the speed of light at least four billion years to completely pass through it.

For a better understanding of the scale of this thing; “our galaxy, the Milky Way, is separated from its nearest neighbour, the Andromeda Galaxy, by about 0.75 Megaparsecs (Mpc) or 2.5 million light-years."

^then again, maybe its where the gods keep the used souls.


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Re: What do you think about the afterlife
«Reply #109 on: January 14, 2013, 12:59:43 AM »
Favorite new teacher quote -- "You found the only possible wrong answer."