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SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media (Read 1707 times)

Offline 49410enrique

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so i know they game companies developers have discussing these things for a while. not just gaming developers though, also other media companies, namely book and music.

they get their cut/revenue when the title sells new. understood. but for a long time they have been upset that they do not get more money when it 're-sells' i.e. sells used. (think when you buy a used music CD, used DVD, used game, book, etc. it doesn't generate additional income for the publisher, just the seller/re-seller).

so this may be the first step in technology aimed at stopping the practice of re-selling/purchasing used media that doesn't create income for the publisher, SONY has filed for a patent that will essentially with a encoded tag, tie a media title (in this initial file a game title) to a user's console, and essentially make it unplayable on other devices. thereby making 'used media' essentially useless to anyone other than the owner of the original encoded device. should this catch on i would not put it past sony to essentially dominate the media market with such a thing (think blue ray and how it became the standard (beating HD DVD and killing DVD 2.0 before it could be developed ) for movies after DVD, which is still holding on somewhat but dying a slow death)

this would be very easy to do with music CDs as well, or digital books, etc.

it is troubling.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/03/report-new-sony-patent-blocks-second-hand-games?utm_source=Targeted%20Blasts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking+News%3A+Sony+Discs+Patent_11145_587933_587940&utm_content=1260772708

this is similar to a recent move by microsoft to file for technology that would essentially charge you for 'fast forwarding through commercials/skipping advertisements' for recorded programing in an effort to increase advertising revenue (not similar technology or issues but a simialr move in business tactics aimed at controling consumers more and squeezing more revenue from existing customers). so yeah scumbag microsoft too!

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Offline j_menz

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 11:06:19 PM »
And Apple, and Google and....

The consolation is that there is an army of clever people out there working just as hard at circumventing these little money-grubbing attempts at global control. More power to their keyboards!
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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 11:50:59 PM »
..bugger if your console breaks down and has to be replaced.

Digital rights management makes me feel ill. Freaking asshats. I puked enough reading about the Diablo III release fiasco and I'm not even close to a gamer, nor did I buy or intend to buy the title.

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 12:44:03 AM »
If Sony do that even fewer people will buy their next console than they did the PS3, and Sony might just slip over the edge into bankruptcy.

Well I fuckin' hope they do now.

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 12:59:03 AM »
That's why I play the 360 while my brother plays the PS3.
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Offline 49410enrique

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 01:38:45 AM »
here's the deal though (to those that only think this applied to sony or games), i opens the door to this type of deal to other media (as ajspiano caught on to w regard to the other big names).

so ok sony does it. then all the game console manufacturers do it (don't think it can happen? remember when only certain games were on certain consoles? now how many times does a big release hit and it hits all of them, i know there are a few franchises still unique to each but this is a normal aspect of the product life cycle, homogenization of the product/market place).

look at blue ray, it's not just 'sony picture classics' movies in that format. other studios use it, it is the 'new standard' for HD.

so then the record companies want in, now theres encoding to effectively do the same thing for CD's. 

it's bad news all around for everyone except the the big kids.

in fact i read tech reports that there is a move by other manufacturers for either next gen or the one after that for consoles to do away with gaming title hard coppies all together (they want it all to be digital download like many titles are right now like on steam or xbox live, or playstation network), so even if this patant doesnt move fwd there are similar moves overall toward this type of control on media.


Offline zezhyrule

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 01:46:46 AM »
They also had a patent for a dualshock that splits in two, with each side having glowy balls on it. I'm not too worried.
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Offline ajspiano

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 01:48:54 AM »
That digital download only thing makes me a little sick.

The big name PC games right now that force you to be connected to a server, just to play a single player game that you installed from a disk are freaking disgusting.

Imagine if music was cloud storage only, so you simply were unable to play a recording ever without an internet connection..  so not only do you have to pay for the rights to play it, but also pay your ISP for the right to download it, over and over again.  :-X

..which allows the the companies to track and analyse the whole planets listening/reading tendancies..

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 03:16:46 AM »


Imagine if music was cloud storage only, so you simply were unable to play a recording ever without an internet connection..  so not only do you have to pay for the rights to play it, but also pay your ISP for the right to download it, over and over again.  :-X

..which allows the the companies to track and analyse the whole planets listening/reading tendancies..

I cannot stand this music (or anything) on cloud thing, I really need to have everything accessable (and backed up) without internet connection. People are so trusting. The internet will probably be changing more and more to accomodate commercial needs and it can go down anytime.

I do use iTunes, but at least those files are easy to reformat to work with other devices...If not, I would just dumb the whole thing.

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 03:46:54 AM »
Digital rights management makes me feel ill. Freaking asshats.

That is an understatement really. Have you heard about the people who get their self-recorded stuff removed from YouTube by "musical rights societies" because a couple of seconds in their interpretations match those of some of the great pianists? Read on:
Are the "musical rights societies" getting more aggressive?. Makes you want to vomit. When I visit sites, I boycot ALL third-parties on-line without mercy with the help of ad blockers and through a hosts file, just to be sure my computer won't go there to finance those evil deeds of suppression.

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Offline ajspiano

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Re: SCUMBAG SONY! New patent and possible ramifications on music/media
«Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 04:10:30 AM »
That is an understatement really. Have you heard about the people who get their self-recorded stuff removed from YouTube by "musical rights societies" because a couple of seconds in their interpretations match those of some of the great pianists?

Yes I read that a while ago, well atleast the similar thread that was on this forum - looks like its the same poster in both. Totally disgusting.

We're certainly all subject to it, most things I've posted to youtube get flagged for 3rd party content. Mine are always unlisted though so I doubt anyone pays much attention.