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Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it? (Read 1280 times)

Offline Bob

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Just a thought that popped into mind.

Some pieces of music I can listen to over and over and over. 

I bet I could practice them too.  The repetition part of practice does involve... repetition.  Yes, I focus on different things, but it's still somewhat based on how many times I can stand repeating it.

Are they related?  The same thing?
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Re: Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it?
«Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 03:17:55 AM »
Not sure they're the same thing, but for me they're certainly related.  I can't be bothered practicing anything I can't stand to listen to again, and really only am interested in doing anything with pieces that bear sustained repeated listening.

Of course, my formal student days are well behind me, so I have no need to suffer through pieces I hate.

Even when I was a student, though, I'd baulk at them. Vocally.
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Re: Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it?
«Reply #2 on: February 28, 2013, 05:44:22 AM »
I have absolutely no tolerance for music I don't like. That's why I never listen to the radio. This also reflects to my practice. If I don't like to listen to a piece, I really cannot practice it enough to learn it. I have tried many times and always failed, after a while I completely lose my motivation and even start avoiding going to the piano. Then again I have no trouble working on the same piece for months every day if I really like it. I have a few pieces that I never seem to get tired of...I can listen to real pianists play them for hundreds of times also.

Right now I practice quite a lot because I have several pieces that I enjoy and only one that is...not that great ...but  I can handle it in small doses.

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Re: Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it?
«Reply #3 on: February 28, 2013, 08:29:53 AM »
Not sure they're the same thing, but for me they're certainly related.  I can't be bothered practicing anything I can't stand to listen to again, and really only am interested in doing anything with pieces that bear sustained repeated listening.

Of course, my formal student days are well behind me, so I have no need to suffer through pieces I hate.

Even when I was a student, though, I'd baulk at them. Vocally.
How old are you, anyway?  The tone of your voice puts you at about 20.  Though your expertise sort of belies it, i guess.  You sound like a precocious conservatory student!

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Re: Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it?
«Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 10:19:35 AM »
For me it is not the same thing. Some pieces are just magical and I can work for hours on them or listen to them and they will go through my head all day long either way. Others I like working on but really don't care to listen to someone else play them more than maybe one time. And finally some others I can listen to but the structure is something I don't care to work with and get bored learning them.
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Re: Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it?
«Reply #5 on: February 28, 2013, 10:39:51 AM »
A piece I can listen to repeatedly has to say something new to me each time, or more correctly I suppose, I must hear something new each time. Much the same goes for playing. The idea of reaching an ideal stasis has long gone, although I did feel that in my youth, and I realise the comforting aspect is very important to many listeners. Surprise and serendipity are of the essence at sixty-five, but dependable reaction and comfort were important when I was young. From what I have seen, most people go the other way.
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Re: Ability to listen to a piece repeatedly equal to ability to practice it?
«Reply #6 on: February 28, 2013, 11:07:05 PM »
How old are you, anyway?  The tone of your voice puts you at about 20.  Though your expertise sort of belies it, i guess.  You sound like a precocious conservatory student!

LOL. When I was twenty, Noah was shopping around for gopherwood.  Possibly a case of youth being fleeting but immaturity lasting forever.  ;D

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Let's face it.  Immaturity is a great gift!