Suicide

[oxy60]

Your remarks (much too long to quote) point out a real deficiency in modern day therapy.

The therapists need to be more confrontational. There's too much sitting back and letting the patient talk. Someone who is depressed and contemplating suicide has a lot to say; layers and layers, circles of logic, etc., leading themselves to the conclusion that death is the answer. As friends, family, or professionals, we must confront those ideas. We must show them the errors of their thinking.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Uuuuuuuugh great.

Now I have another suicidal person on my plate...

[faulty_damper]

Since she is a girl, she'll try suicide and fail.  She'll try it a second time a few months later and fail again.  It's only on her third attempt that she will succeed.  This is because girls tend to use "soft" forms of suicide like taking pills or poisons.

Boys usually succeed the first time because they use "hard" forms of suicide like firearms.  Recovery from a bullet to the head is rare but only because the bullet missed vital brain areas.

But anyway, you will know she's serious if you find out she tried it once or twice.  The third time is the charm.  (Look it up if you need a source for this information.)

[faulty_damper]

The therapists need to be more confrontational. There's too much sitting back and letting the patient talk. Someone who is depressed and contemplating suicide has a lot to say; layers and layers, circles of logic, etc., leading themselves to the conclusion that death is the answer. As friends, family, or professionals, we must confront those ideas. We must show them the errors of their thinking.

That's a lot of assumptions. People who commit suicide do not do so for rational reasons.  They do it for emotional ones.  Thus, showing them the "errors of their thinking" will not work because they are not thinking, they are feeling.

[lostinidlewonder]

Suicide is almost never planned or executed in a controlled manner. Suicide is like a terminal illness the suffer has no choice over the thoughts to die.

It doesn't surprise me that the internet has people who have NO IDEA about suicide but nevertheless want to spew forth their idiotic perspectives as if it is true. Bleh!

[maul]

Suicide is almost never planned or executed in a controlled manner. Suicide is like a terminal illness the suffer has no choice over the thoughts to die.

It doesn't surprise me that the internet has people who have NO IDEA about suicide but nevertheless want to spew forth their idiotic perspectives as if it is true. Bleh!

You've committed suicide?

[timothy42b]

Since she is a girl, she'll try suicide and fail. 

https://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ420954&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ420954

[oxy60]

You might try offering to help them plan their funeral down to the last detail because "you want to respect their wishes." A trip to a local funeral parlor to pick out a casket might shake them up a little. You really don't want to make the wrong decision for them...

[lostinidlewonder]

You've committed suicide?

Yes of course many times always successfully.

I also know a number of others who have but did not come back to life magically like I did.

[andy1973]

Uuuuuuuugh great.

Now I have another suicidal person on my plate...

No, no, no. I apologize; I didn't meant to make my reply about myself. I primarily meant to give you helpful insight. And you're not responsible for me. Yes, I still struggle, but I have to see how it all turns out. I'll let you know 50 years from now how it's been.