Liszt technical studies

[Rach3]

I admit I've been rather lean on techincal practice in general - i.e., scales, independence exercizes, czernies and hanons...

Has anyone here experience with these exercizes? They seem especially good, being ostensibly representive of Liszt's own practice regime. In particular I'm looking at things like the whole book of finger-independence exercizes (they seem to be really useful, but challening!) and the (probably unique) sets of exercizes on things like his famous hyperoctaves stuff.

I've been working with these for a while now, I'm thinking of becoming more serious if these are as valuable as they look. (not as an exclusive thing of course, but as a supplement...)

[bernhard]

The topic that will not go away….

Yes, have a look at these threads where there is plenty of supporters for Hanon & co. (but I have not read any compelling reason so far) and a lot of good reasons to stay away from them:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2429.msg21061.html#msg21061

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2998.msg26268.html#msg26268

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2948.msg25927.html#msg25927

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3987.msg36197.html#msg36197

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4082.msg37362.html#msg37362

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4182.msg38775.html#msg38775

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4880.msg46339.html#msg46339

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4887.msg47334.html#msg47334

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4704.msg47793.html#msg47793

Best wishes,
Benrhard.

[BoliverAllmon]

The topic that will not go away….

Yes, have a look at these threads where there is plenty of supporters for Hanon & co. (but I have not read any compelling reason so far) and a lot of good reasons to stay away from them:

of which you have so vehemently shoved downs one throat.

boliver

[djbrak]

And pischna? what say you?

[BoliverAllmon]

Bernhard? he is against them. complete waste of time. me? I don't know I haven't played them enough to know.

boliver

[julie391]

cortot has a very interesting technique book

possibly the most extensive ive seen, the section at the end deals with difficulty ratings of common repertoire...interesting stuff.

[Sketchee]

I like Czerny.  A lot of his excercises are very musical and even performable.  It's no wonder that Czerny's student Franz Liszt turned etudes into true concert pieces.

I gave my book of Czerny to a friend of mine though.  He always likes pieces that were very difficult sounding and hates the slow parts.  Plus, although I like Czerny's excercises, I didn't play them as often as my concert pieces which I like to concentrate on them.

Technical excercises in general, I think can work.  They're not necessary for everyone, and can be overdone.  I think the mistake people make is to think that all students should use the same method.  There's a large variety of different things to try in your practice to keep it new and fresh.  I suggest trying anything (that's not extreme and won't hurt you) and seeing how it works for you.

There's also the opposite end of the spectrum where people will leave teacher after teacher and/or method after method, because they want an easy way to learn piano.  Explore these things fully, but keep track of what is working for you and what isn't.

[julie391]

i think czerny studies are useless unless you like the music - because chopin's and liszt's etudes are just as beneficial to your technique - while also MOST IMPORTANTLY being great music.

[Sketchee]

i think czerny studies are useless unless you like the music - because chopin's and liszt's etudes are just as beneficial to your technique - while also MOST IMPORTANTLY being great music.

Yep. I think there are some very nice pieces in the Czerny etudes.  Besides these, Czerny wrote a large number of works with his highest opus being 861!   None of which as is overplayed as Chopin and Liszt's Etudes.

I don't remember which book I had but it wasn't the popular "School of Velocity" one.  It may have been "Art of Finger Dexterity."  Whichever one it was, I remember the last piece in was very cool and closer to the Liszt or even Chopin Etudes than it was to Hanon.  Some very nice concert pieces among the set.

I just remembered, today at a recital one percussionist performed an eighth & quarter note study on the snare drum!   

[julie391]

yes indeed, alot of his music is underplayed and underrated

but my point was, why play a piece that you dont really like to obtain technique that can be otherwise aquired through learning great music

[Sketchee]

yes indeed, alot of his music is underplayed and underrated

but my point was, why play a piece that you dont really like to obtain technique that can be otherwise aquired through learning great music

I was agreeing with you.  That's why I mentioned some of Czerny's great music

[julie391]

i see, even libetta plays his studies in recital

[Daniel_piano]

i think czerny studies are useless unless you like the music - because chopin's and liszt's etudes are just as beneficial to your technique - while also MOST IMPORTANTLY being great music.

Yep. I think there are some very nice pieces in the Czerny etudes.  Besides these, Czerny wrote a large number of works with his highest opus being 861!   None of which as is overplayed as Chopin and Liszt's Etudes.

I don't remember which book I had but it wasn't the popular "School of Velocity" one.  It may have been "Art of Finger Dexterity."  Whichever one it was, I remember the last piece in was very cool and closer to the Liszt or even Chopin Etudes than it was to Hanon.  Some very nice concert pieces among the set.

I just remembered, today at a recital one percussionist performed an eighth & quarter note study on the snare drum!   

Now, there a piano concertist that has in his repertory the Czerny op.740 "Art of Finger Dexterity" and play it as whole concerto exercises after exercises
People love it and it's a always requested by the audience in his concerto
Esercise n.12 is beautiful

Daniel

[julie391]

are you getting your words mixed up a little there?

do you mean the libetta thing i was referring to?

[Daniel_piano]

are you getting your words mixed up a little there?

do you mean the libetta thing i was referring to?

Yes, Francesco Libetta
Sorry, I didn't noticed you had mentioned it before

Daniel