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WHAT THE FREAKING HECK?!????!!????
« on: July 31, 2013, 02:00:15 AM »
I'm trying to edit this video, and it says that I can't use my audio which by the way is ALREADY UPLOADED to youtube, because of some bull *** sh*t copyright claim.  How the *** is there a copyright claim?!  This is my music!!!  I just played it yesterday!!!  

The original audio of this video is not available due to a copyright claim.

What the *** is this sh*t?!!!?!!  It's already on youtube!!!  Let me freaking edit my video!!!  Don't tell me my piano playing is copyrighted.  YouTube is on *** bullshit.

When I end the world these youtube guys are going first!!!

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*An old Hag wanders into the thread*  You!...  Infringer!.... Thief!....  Pirate!!!!....  You'll pay for your copyright pirating ways!!!  You'll pay!!!!  You'll see!!!  You'll paaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy.....  *wanders off*


Yep.  Rach4 and Littletune.  Copyright pirates of Pianostreet.  I'm not sure if it was Littletune herself or her bird whistling that set Youtube off.  I think she got her video restored too.  If she's still around she might say how.  It would be contacting Youtube in some way. I've heard of it happening before. 
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*An old Hag wanders into the thread*  You!...  Infringer!.... Thief!....  Pirate!!!!....  You'll pay for your copyright pirating ways!!!  You'll pay!!!!  You'll see!!!  You'll paaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy.....  *wanders off*


Yep.  Rach4 and Littletune.  Copyright pirates of Pianostreet.  I'm not sure if it was Littletune herself or her bird whistling that set Youtube off.  I think she got her video restored too.  If she's still around she might say how.  It would be contacting Youtube in some way. I've heard of it happening before. 

I just sent them an email.

I had to sift through a lot of stuff to find out who to contact, but I did it...  I bet they purposefully made it difficult to find their contact information so they can *** around with our videos and get away with it.
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I thought you just filled in a form off their Help Centre?
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I thought you just filled in a form off their Help Centre?

Doesn't work.

That's a distraction!

It doesn't have anything for false copyright claims.
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Doesn't work.

That's a distraction!

It doesn't have anything for false copyright claims.

http://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/
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http://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/

I was already there, didn't work.

You don't have to keep searhing for me, I already took care of it.
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Doesn't work.

That's a distraction!

It doesn't have anything for false copyright claims.
It's worked perfectly for me on sevral occasions when I've had to submit claims about others' infringement of my copyright.

The point here is not whose piano playing is on the video but what music is being played. Of course you cannot infringe your own copyright and, if it's your playing, you have rights in your performance, so I would have to assume that, although you say that the material is your music, it is in fact you playing someone else's copyrighted music. Am I right about that?

If a copyright infringement claim is made against you in respect of a video that you have uploaded to YouTube, you may use their form to appeal for a retraction if you believe that such a claim is without foundation.

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The point here is not whose piano playing is on the video but what music is being played. Of course you cannot infringe your own copyright and, if it's your playing, you have rights in your performance, so I would have to assume that, although you say that the material is your music, it is in fact you playing someone else's copyrighted music. Am I right about that?


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It's the Ondine.  Ravel is already like 80 years dead already, he doesn't care about YouTube videos.  Besides, there's already hundreds of videos of people playing his music, why the heck am I gettinga problem?
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It's the Ondine.  Ravel is already like 80 years dead already, he doesn't care about YouTube videos.  Besides, there's already hundreds of videos of people playing his music, why the heck am I gettinga problem?
In that case - and if that is all that you have posted to YouTube and it is that video with which you are having problems, you will have to contact YouTube to challenge their stance on this and ask them why they have done this. The fact that Ravel is long dead has no bearing on the mater, but the fact that his music entered the puiblic domain on 1 January 2008 should mean that there is no problem.

The only possibility that occurs to me is that the publisher might have claimed infringement of the copyright in its publication, although I imagine that to be unlikely; YouTube should nonetheless be able - and are indeed obliged - to tell you what the problem is and, if it is simply a mistake on their part (which might well be the case from what you have written about this), to rectify it.

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In that case - and if that is all that you have posted to YouTube and it is that video with which you are having problems, you will have to contact YouTube to challenge their stance on this and ask them why they have done this. The fact that Ravel is long dead has no bearing on the mater, but the fact that his music entered the puiblic domain on 1 January 2008 should mean that there is no problem.
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How is ravel being dead not have any bearing?!

He's the one who composed it, who the heck else has rights to his music?!

Aaaaaaaagh I am SOOOO mad!!! 

I'm sick of this copyright bullshit.

Yeah I emailed them but I got an automatic reply...  But not to worry, I found three other email adresses to raise hell on!  Not really raise hell...
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How is ravel being dead not have any bearing?!

He's the one who composed it, who the heck else has rights to his music?!

Aaaaaaaagh I am SOOOO mad!!! 

I'm sick of this copyright bullshit.

Yeah I emailed them but I got an automatic reply...  But not to worry, I found three other email adresses to raise hell on!  Not really raise hell...
Ravel's being dead has no bearing on the copyright issue because copyright in his and most other composers' works in most territories these days expires at the end of the 70th year following those domposers' deaths so, in Ravel's case, the relevant date is, as I wrote, 1 January 2008. His Estate would have had the rights to his music from his death until that date but, since then, it's been in the public domain.

It will be interesting to learn of the outcome of your approaches to YouTube, where many a copyright violation is in evidence and a far from small proportipon of these are videos of works or extracts therefrom by living composers; this is why there is a set procedure to report copyright violations and another to challenge claims for copyright vilation if the uploader believes that they are invalid (as in the case that you cited here).

Good luck!

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Ravel's being dead has no bearing on the copyright issue because copyright in his and most other composers' works in most territories these days expires at the end of the 70th year following those domposers' deaths so, in Ravel's case, the relevant date is, as I wrote, 1 January 2008. His Estate would have had the rights to his music from his death until that date but, since then, it's been in the public domain.

It will be interesting to learn of the outcome of your approaches to YouTube, where many a copyright violation is in evidence and a far from small proportipon of these are videos of works or extracts therefrom by living composers; this is why there is a set procedure to report copyright violations and another to challenge claims for copyright vilation if the uploader believes that they are invalid (as in the case that you cited here).

Good luck!

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Copyright protection has been extended from 70 years to about 20 or 30 years more in the US.  We have posted over 200 videos in YT and have copyright claims in over one hundred.  There is a proper dispute procedure, but I just got tired of it.  In one of Enzo's videos they insisted that it was Horowitz playing....  ;D ;D ;D .... so be it .... we were absolutely flattered.
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The only possibility that occurs to me is that the publisher might have claimed infringement of the copyright in its publication, although I imagine that to be unlikely;

I think most infringement claims, at least with Google search results, I'm not sure about YT videos, are done by bots that look for certain things, decide that it's reasonably likely that the content is infringing, and report it. Unfortunately, this is complete bullshit, because they need not have any evidence for their claim in order to get it taken down, but you need to spend considerable effort to get it put back up. Google, YouTube, and other websites will cater to these demands because the alternative (ie requiring the company's claim to be backed up with proof that the content is infringing) would result either in a ridiculous amount of work for the host of the "infringing" content, or the accusing company simply suing the host.

However, even if Ravel's works were still in public domain, I'm not entirely sure it's infringing copyright to post yourself playing them, especially if you're not making any money. You could possibly argue that your playing constitutes a separate work from the original, since, after all, the original is just a bunch of notes on a piece of paper, whereas yours is a series of sounds--hardly comparable ;)

In one of Enzo's videos they insisted that it was Horowitz playing....  ;D ;D ;D .... so be it .... we were absolutely flattered.

Were they not curious how your son was able to sync his fingers perfectly with Horowitz's recording? Quite the compliment regardless!

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However, even if Ravel's works were still in public domain, I'm not entirely sure it's infringing copyright to post yourself playing them, especially if you're not making any money. You could possibly argue that your playing constitutes a separate work from the original, since, after all, the original is just a bunch of notes on a piece of paper, whereas yours is a series of sounds--hardly comparable
As I wrote previously, the performer has rights in respect of his/her performance, but whether or not money is being made therefrom is not an issue where possible copyright infringement is concerned.

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Captain Copyright strikes again.

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Captain Copyright strikes again.
Does he? Or she? Where? Surely someone would have to "strike" something in some way in order to try to respond constructively to R4E's concerns? - or do you think that they should simply be ignored and not answered, in which case R4E would have wasted his time in initiating this thread?

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We've had this discussion before. YT seems to be a law unto itself. It appears they run everything through some sort of program that must detect if that material is on YT already.

We use a similiar system to detect spam but if YT can spot a slower version with mistakes of a piece they have up already, that is one very sophisticated piece of software!
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Were they not curious how your son was able to sync his fingers perfectly with Horowitz's recording? Quite the compliment regardless!   




"Your video is blocked in some countries".

"Vladimir Horowitz-Andante commodo from Sonata in E Major, K 380 (L 23)", sound recording administered by:    SME  Dispute rejected, claim has been reinstated.


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Hello,


Thank you for your message.

A content owner claimed content in your video using YouTube’s Content ID system.

Specifics of the policy applied to your video are in the Copyright Notices section of your YouTube account. There, you may click the underlined link to the right of the video's Edit menu to learn more about the claim. If you believe that this claim was made in error, you can dispute it directly from that page.

Please note that YouTube does not mediate copyright disputes.



Regards,

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Hello,


Thank you for your message.

A content owner claimed content in your video using YouTube’s Content ID system.

Specifics of the policy applied to your video are in the Copyright Notices section of your YouTube account. There, you may click the underlined link to the right of the video's Edit menu to learn more about the claim. If you believe that this claim was made in error, you can dispute it directly from that page.

Please note that YouTube does not mediate copyright disputes.



Regards,

The YouTube Copyright Team


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You're a lawyer, of course you do

Actually, I despise them, and have never sent one other than as part of an obvious mailout.
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So I disputed this bullshit ass copyright claim and I risk getting my account terminated...

I'm doing this for 5 videos.
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So I disputed this bullshit ass copyright claim and I risk getting my account terminated...

It won't and even if it would, who cares, you can always get a new one...

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It won't and even if it would, who cares, you can always get a new one...

But what would Valentina Lisitsa think?!

Her number 1 subscriber suddenly vanishing?  What the heck?!
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But what would Valentina Lisitsa think?!

Her number 1 subscriber suddenly vanishing?  What the heck?!

That restraining orders actually work, albeit slowly?
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That restraining orders actually work, albeit slowly?

Hey shut up that's why she's not scared to come and perform in chicago and doesnt pretend to be a professional pianist like you! >:(
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doesnt pretend to be a professional pianist unlike you! >:(
??? Sometimes your modern use of grammar is just too complicated for us old people...

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a professional pianist unlike you! >:(

FYI, all professional pianists are unlike me, inasmuch as they are actually professional pianists.
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??? Sometimes your modern use of grammar is just too complicated for us old people...

Come on dude, this is a piano forum!

I'm not writing a college essay or anything, as long as I get my point across who cares!

Oh damn that's a simple error, I'm feeling kinda salty now... :-[
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FYI, all professional pianists are unlike me, inasmuch as they are actually professional pianists.

I have a question.

Do you ever switch into ajspiano when you're performing?  How does that work out? :P

Well I mean, he is pretty good, he learned the rach 3 in a shorter amount of time it taes to play it, so I guess you can trust him when he takes over right?
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as long as I get my point across who cares!

These guys:

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I have a question.

Do you ever switch into ajspiano when you're performing?  How does that work out? :P

Well I mean, he is pretty good, he learned the rach 3 in a shorter amount of time it taes to play it, so I guess you can trust him when he takes over right?

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Re: WHAT THE FREAKING HECK?!????!!????
«Reply #37 on: August 03, 2013, 06:09:48 PM »
Say you have video of yourself playing but the sound quality is not the best. So you paste in a better quality recording of yourself. It's all you all the way, just done on different occasions.

Be careful, getting the sync to match is very difficult. It can be detected by experts.

If you do have such plans, start with your recording and try to sync your fingers to that on a silent piano for the video. 
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