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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #50 on: September 17, 2013, 03:16:09 PM »
I like how you say this like a deduction and not like wwalrus posted that his mother was a Julliard graduate on Saturday.

never said I was psychic.  ;D  it's true. that's my point.  actually--I followed the comment he made on my youtube account.

his name is Kyrian.  y'all really should realize that everything you say you are accountable for...  just as I am.

I love the internet--finally I can say to people--YES... you DID say that.. and here's the proof.

it is just so amazing...   I was sexually abused... I crawled out of a prison...  and all you care about is that I have the nerve to say

I am a virtuoso pianist.   

really...  who has the problem ..  I am happy and free---  and really just trying to make a point.

as for my resume.

I had 18 years of formal training.  Music school.  20 years teaching.  25 professional musician. (yes I get paid.)  a youtube account with 1.6 mill hits.   and it's all my vids..  scroll through.

you all think you know me from 1 video?  really.  8) 

GOD BLESS YOU ALL...  please forgive me for trying to tell you I am something you say I am not.  I hope you vented some of the anger you have received back to me.  It will make me a stronger person. .
know that I have said many of the same things to other musicians on this very forum.  I said them for the exact same reasons you now say them to me.

go look up my comments-- you are bound to find me being a jerk more than once.

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #51 on: September 17, 2013, 03:25:46 PM »
consider that quote when getting all competitive and derogatory towards anyone who appreciated the accurate definition of a virtuoso. You've come from a difficult background but you're simply perpetuating the cycle by starting threads like these and then trying to put yourself above anyone who raises an eyebrow about you not being the virtuoso you claim. Stop judging others, stop judging yourself and stop encouraging others to judge you by writing boastfully. There's no shame in not being a virtuoso unless you make that a shameful thing. If it is a shameful thing, you're the only person who made it shameful for yourself not to be a virtuoso. I have no interest in competing against you but, having played a rachmaninoff concerto and such repertoire as big Liszt works, I'm not a virtuoso. You certainly aren't either.

Stop judging yourself against unrealistic standards and stop trying to prove yourself. Portraying yourself as something you are not results in nothing but negative consequences- as people will inevitably point that out to you. At this point you can go on the defence  and try to put these people down, but is that really good for you? Trying to claim that anyone who disagrees with you must be an inferior pianist to you is plain deluded. Why do you need to try place yourself on higher ground? Why do you need to make yourself feel better than others, rather than simply content in yourself without comparisons? Do people really become happy by inviting criticism with unrealistic claims and then trying to place themself on a pedestal over people who are actually a lot more experienced? When you try to think so positively as to pretend to be something you are not (in part achieved by attempts to put others down without accurate basis) it's simply negative thinking by proxy- setting yourself up for a fall and for a pointless battle against others. Be humble and be accepting of the present as it REALLY is and people will stop judging you. You'll be a lot happier.


I am seriously concerned for you...  this is a very telling post.  how is it that you percieved

judge not lest ye be judged

as an attack by me to you from which you must launch a counter-attack?  you are not defending yourself--you are attacking...  why so angry?  are you happy with yourself as a musician?


 I don't come here often in fact--I am here very rarely..yet you always seem to reply to my comments...  why?  not always in disagreement... but you seem to very often find my words and put in your opinion.  again...totally can prove it.

just go look. 8)

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #52 on: September 17, 2013, 03:37:13 PM »

I am seriously concerned for you...  this is a very telling post.  how is it that you percieved

judge not lest ye be judged

as an attack by me to you from which you must launch a counter-attack?  you are not defending yourself--you are attacking...  why so angry?  are you happy with yourself as a musician?


 I don't come here often in fact--I am here very rarely..yet you always seem to reply to my comments...  why?  not always in disagreement... but you seem to very often find my words and put in your opinion.  again...totally can prove it.

just go look. 8)

I was offering advice, but I can see you have no interest in listening.  To summarise- you keep complaining about being judged (while constantly competing against and making accusations towards every single poster who has said anything you don't want to hear eg. the accusation that we must all be lesser pianists than yourself). If you don't like being judged, don't demand to be judged by using language which is reserved for the absolute elite and don't try to suggest that you're probably better than all the other posters. Hubris and bragging makes judgement by high standards inevitable, whereas humble people can usually expect to be treated with more deliberate positivity.

Alternatively, keep misdefining yourself (and insisting that you are important enough to be permitted to create your own redefinitions of words that are universally understood to mean something else) and keep alienating people via the hubris. The choice is yours...

PS. You'd be far better trying to build your self-esteem via a counsellor than by trying to impress people on the internet and then lashing out when people don't react as you wish. Positive self-affirmations are a thing to do on your own, with help or in your head. When you direct these at other people without prompting in an conversational-style situation  (rather than restrict self-love to an internal monologue) it's not something that will contribute meaningfully to your self-esteem- above all because of the negative reactions that such behaviour will be guaranteed to prompt from others, whether we're talking about you or anybody else.

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #53 on: September 17, 2013, 04:15:02 PM »
I was talking about aiming for musicianship.  It has nothing to do with level of pieces or difficulty of pieces.  And you are talking about SKILL.  Not trying to be a virtuoso - which can be devoid of musicianship.

I love this lady..  really.   

KEYPEG is a far wiser musician than I...  and have you heard her PLAY!!!!!!   I have been listening to her for two years and she amazes me in every way. 

she cares about musicianship first and foremost.    there are many non-musical virtuoso's and there are many incredibly "musical" players that are non-virtuoso

who fills more seats do you think?   and is that really because the population has no appreciation for music?

or is it because NOBODY likes a show-off.

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #54 on: September 17, 2013, 04:19:31 PM »
Kyrian--

I should like to fwd your comments to your mother and see what she would think.

really.

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #55 on: September 17, 2013, 04:22:29 PM »
I love this lady..  really.   

KEYPEG is a far wiser musician than I...  and have you heard her PLAY!!!!!!   I have been listening to her for two years and she amazes me in every way. 

she cares about musicianship first and foremost.    there are many non-musical virtuoso's and there are many incredibly "musical" players that are non-virtuoso

who fills more seats do you think?   and is that really because the population has no appreciation for music?

or is it because NOBODY likes a show-off.

Yes, indeed. This is exactly why people are bemused that you need to call yourself one, rather than focus on what you really can do.

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #56 on: September 17, 2013, 04:38:24 PM »
I was offering advice, but I can see you have no interest in listening.  To summarise- you keep complaining about being judged (while constantly competing against and making accusations towards every single poster who has said anything you don't want to hear eg. the accusation that we must all be lesser pianists than yourself). If you don't like being judged, don't demand to be judged by using language which is reserved for the absolute elite and don't try to suggest that you're probably better than all the other posters. Hubris and bragging makes judgement by high standards inevitable, whereas humble people can usually expect to be treated with more deliberate positivity.

Alternatively, keep misdefining yourself (and insisting that you are important enough to be permitted to create your own redefinitions of words that are universally understood to mean something else) and keep alienating people via the hubris. The choice is yours...

PS. You'd be far better trying to build your self-esteem via a counsellor than by trying to impress people on the internet and then lashing out when people don't react as you wish. Positive self-affirmations are a thing to do on your own, with help or in your head. When you direct these at other people without prompting in an conversational-style situation  (rather than restrict self-love to an internal monologue) it's not something that will contribute meaningfully to your self-esteem- above all because of the negative reactions that such behaviour will be guaranteed to prompt from others, whether we're talking about you or anybody else.
  I think you are a great pianist... truly a person of incredible talent.

let me say that again YOU ARE A GREAT PIANIST.

I must warn you that anyone who took psychology in college will be able to easily read between the lines of your posts.

speaking in anger is so telling...  every weakness is revealed

I most humbly concede to you my friend.   what you have said is that I have no right to upset you.  that your advice and your definitions are the only true definitions and if I do not accept them then I am not worthy and I am arrogant.  that you are giving me advice in the most honorable of ways and I am not listening.   

so be it.


I wonder who has repeatedly told you to be more humble?   I know you are a great talent--because at some point you scared the heck out of someone.

judge not lest ye be judged

let us live and let live  ;D

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Re: Musical child abuse to VIRTUOSO and Beethoven :)
«Reply #57 on: September 17, 2013, 05:24:24 PM »
I most humbly concede to you my friend.   what you have said is that I have no right to upset you.  that your advice and your definitions are the only true definitions and if I do not accept them then I am not worthy and I am arrogant.  that you are giving me advice in the most honorable of ways and I am not listening.  



I neither make my own definitions nor do I expect anyone to accept incorrect ones simply because I say so. I go on the accurate and accepted definition of the word- which is of a musician with a truly extraordinary level of skill and ability to execute works of the highest level of difficulty. Also, "anger"? Who's angry? I'm simply concerned that if you're going to be going around taking the same boastful tone and trying to say that you're better than anyone who has criticised, you're going to make yourself extremely unhappy. Human nature will always draw people to criticise those who try to hype themselves up. Stop doing so, and you'll not be actively exposing yourself to it anymore. You're seeking approval yet going about it in a way that invites everything but that.

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«Reply #58 on: September 17, 2013, 05:53:55 PM »
I neither make my own definitions nor do I expect anyone to accept incorrect ones simply because I say so. I go on the accurate and accepted definition of the word- which is of a musician with a truly extraordinary level of skill and ability to execute works of the highest level of difficulty. Also, "anger"? Who's angry? I'm simply concerned that if you're going to be going around taking the same boastful tone and trying to say that you're better than anyone who has criticised, you're going to make yourself extremely unhappy. Human nature will always draw people to criticise those who try to hype themselves up. Stop doing so, and you'll opening yourself to it. You're seeking approval yet going about it in a way that invites everything but that.


you  commented first with the accusation that my YOUTUBE account was not what I said it was--before you even looked--and such a condescending tone...then you so eloquently apologized... like that was fine.  why are you permitted these transgressions yet I am not?

you assumed I was wrong and set out to prove it.  your posts prove you jump to conclusions...you said it yourself...

  and yet you so quickly tell me I am arrogant?
   

why do still try to prove yourself right...and why do you feel YOU have answers...and I do not.  I am 49 years old.  please explain.

methinks he doth protest too much.

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«Reply #59 on: September 17, 2013, 05:59:12 PM »

you  commented first with the accusation that my YOUTUBE account was not what I said it was--before you even looked--and such a condescending tone...then you so eloquently apologized... like that was fine.  why are you permitted these transgressions yet I am not?



I apologised in the instant I discovered I was mistaken. I have no problem at all with admitting that I can make an error and then moving on based on the accurate situation. I had looked- I misinterpreted based on other videos which are listed on your channel page. Conversely, you've demanded the right to redefine the English language based on a usage that is exclusively your own and have refused to concede error. Stop trying to be infallible. It's not good for you- especially when the act of trying to protect an impression of infallibility compounds the initial misjudgement and shows that you are not prepared to hold your hand up and then move on.

Take a look through the thread and note how quite how many accusations you made at anyone and everyone who you feel has attacked you. Attack is not the best form of defense- especially when you've made a definable misjudgement.

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«Reply #60 on: September 17, 2013, 07:05:15 PM »
Kyrian--

I should like to fwd your comments to your mother and see what she would think.

really.

My mom told me to stay away from forums, and I've been going against what she said by being here. I'm not going to, because I don't see the point.

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«Reply #61 on: September 17, 2013, 07:52:37 PM »
I apologised in the instant I discovered I was mistaken. I have no problem at all with admitting that I can make an error and then moving on based on the accurate situation. I had looked- I misinterpreted based on other videos which are listed on your channel page. Conversely, you've demanded the right to redefine the English language based on a usage that is exclusively your own and have refused to concede error. Stop trying to be infallible. It's not good for you- especially when the act of trying to protect an impression of infallibility compounds the initial misjudgement and shows that you are not prepared to hold your hand up and then move on.

Take a look through the thread and note how quite how many accusations you made at anyone and everyone who you feel has attacked you. Attack is not the best form of defense- especially when you've made a definable misjudgement.


please..  give it a rest.  you spoke on the string before you had the facts.