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Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
on: September 23, 2013, 02:53:46 PM
I've posted a previous version of this toccata sometime ago. This is more recent and from a public performance. I hope you like my interpretation.

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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 05:43:06 PM
Very impressive performance, can!

I really liked your choice of tempo and the fact that you maintained such a professional commitment to your choice. Sometimes young virtuoso players treat this piece as a rushing contest. I think they get confused between 'Russian style' and 'rushing style'.

But you maintained the rhythm with such authority that the music really sounded effective the whole way through. Stunning accuracy, mental focus, and stylistic awareness.

The very last line is particularly nasty if I recall correctly, though I never studied the work for long enough to perform it. It'll only get better in future, and I imagine you know exactly how to practice  it to make it 'perfect', as it was already very close indeed.

Bravo and congratulations on a stunning performance of a monster piece!

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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 06:45:09 PM
I hope you like my interpretation.

In your native language, your name (with "c" pronounced like "j") means "spirit", "life", "heart", right?
In English, "can" is simply another word for "to be able to".
Listening to/watching your clip, I think both apply. :)

Thank you for sharing!
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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 04:07:36 AM
awesom_o and dima_ogorodnikov, thank you so much for your kind words, although I made a quite big mistake at the end of the piece. Your comments are so encouraging for me.  And dima_ogorodnikov, I'm quite surprised that you know the meaning of the word "can". However, your beautiful words made me so happy. Thank you again.
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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #4 on: October 11, 2013, 10:46:28 PM
Fantastic! An incredibly mature interpretation of this very difficult piece. Chapeau!

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Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 04:45:30 PM
Thank you very much pommier.
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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #6 on: October 24, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
 As a fellow countryman (I will have to speak English anyway), a hobbyist of the same age, I have to express my admiration. Prokofiev is one of my favourite composers, and hearing this giant piece that I can not even dream about playing being performed brilliantly really satisfies me. Let alone fulfilling technical requirements, which is a huge challenge, the conveyance of your and Prokofiev's musical ideas were also skillful.

 But I wonder what piano you've played on, its sound was "eh" for me. Just an opinion of a musically uneducated enthusiast though.

 By the way, you are (or at least were) a student of one of, Emre Şen, right? He is one of my idols, due to the fact that just like him I am a late starter and his amazing Chopin interpretations. Even though I don't know him personally, his comprehension of music is a source of inspiration for me. I most definitely envy you. Just wanted to say that.

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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #7 on: December 12, 2013, 02:49:06 AM
 :D :D :D :D :D
Obviously no remarks to the performance itself.
I have one question though, for anyone interested. Is prokofiev supposed to sound so 'dry'? I know a bit about the more percussive approach he had to the instrument at times, but I was surprised at the amount of pedal the performer used here. I almost didn't notice it at all. Is this the general consensus on proko?
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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #8 on: December 12, 2013, 03:46:27 AM
:D :D :D :D :D
Obviously no remarks to the performance itself.
I have one question though, for anyone interested. Is prokofiev supposed to sound so 'dry'? I know a bit about the more percussive approach he had to the instrument at times, but I was surprised at the amount of pedal the performer used here. I almost didn't notice it at all. Is this the general consensus on proko?

I disagree. It really depends on the interpretation in my opinion. I found this interpretation very effective even though it was different then the usual interpretation.
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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 01:04:44 AM
Bravo!  This is a demanding virtuosic piece to say the least, but you step up to it and play it in a very convincing manner.  You bring a big technique that serves all of your artistic intents in performing the work.  I thoroughly enjoyed hearing your recording.  Thanks for posting it!

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Reply #10 on: December 17, 2013, 08:38:34 AM
Hello coda_colossale, I'm still a student of Emre Sen, and I'm very happy for this. The piano was a Yamaha, and it was quite capable of producing guitar sound :)

and thank you very much cometear and David for your nice words.
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Re: Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Reply #11 on: December 24, 2013, 12:38:02 AM
Let's play piano together ?;)
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I liked ur videos,
put a tad more pedal maybe ;) Ur good.
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