What was this pianist thinking wearing something like this at a concert?

[ranniks]

 
Such a dress at such a high-class situation is in my opinion just not done.

[ranniks]

The male in me must insist though: I would do her.

[awesom_o]

The playing wasn't in very good taste either...

[m1469]

If it's really such a problem, the solution is simple:  Hire individuals with better taste.  Acknowledge and highlight individuals with better taste.

[thalbergmad]

Trashy dress matches trashy composition.

Thal

[pianoman53]

My great great grandfather called, and he wants his view of women back.

[ranniks]

My great great grandfather called, and he wants his view of women back.

Amen.

[richard black]

Ah, Khatia B does like to show off her (admittedly very nice) figure a bit.

[ale_ius]

I think she thought it is a pretty dress.  I fail to see the issue she looks lovely. Her naughty bits are covered and as a percentage of total exposure very little skin is actually showing.  I have seen backless dresses get less attention

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Oh come on quit complaining!

Her dress is fine!

[bluesnbob]

Art for art's sake! Shes a young, extremely talented and accomplished pianist and takes pride in her playing, her body, and her appearance! Really? I don't care; it's the art!

[nanabush]

Oh no!  We can see her back!!!!  EVERYONE HIDE!

… get over yourselves.  It's worse that people other than her feel they can dictate what she can and cannot wear.  She's a grown woman, she likely knows what she is comfortable in, what will break a few borders… but come on people… her FULL back isn't covered… she's not trashy lol…  This isn't 1710.

[hfmadopter]

I bet she was probably thinking that she will be comfortable in this dress while playing under the hot stage lights. Your young male mind puts too much imagination into the open backed dress.

[kakeithewolf]

I never truly cared for the concept of a dress code. Dressing up in a black tie form doesn't improve your playing; it can actually hinder it due to the fact that certain clothes reduce mobility and flexibility.

If anything, I believe a person should play in what they are comfortable in. If a person is willing to doll themselves up for the sake of looking professional at the cost of even the slightest bit of their fullest playing ability, then I find that an insult to both the pieces played and the composers who made them.

Why? Because the person has demonstrated that they give more thought, credence, and respect to the standards of a judgmental society than they do to the passion and emotion displayed in what they play.

Now, I'm not saying a person should show up in their altogether or something of that sort (despite the fact that would technically mean completely uninhibited movement). I'm just saying that a person should wear what they wish, and focus more on what they are playing than how people are looking at them.

[timothy42b]

Seriously...............white after Labor Day?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Incidentally, if back really freaks you guys out...

You get no play...

[outin]

If anything, I believe a person should play in what they are comfortable in.

So if I ever decide to perform, I will do it in my pyjamas 

[kakeithewolf]

So if I ever decide to perform, I will do it in my pyjamas 

On the bright side of that, it would not be a performance people would soon forget.

[theholygideons]

Incidentally, if back really freaks you guys out...

You get no play...

rach_4ever does it doggy style.. :p

[starlady]

Seriously...............white after Labor Day?

We have a winner!

[rachmaninoff_forever]

rach_4ever does it doggy style.. :p

*Sticks my finger out and opens my mouth*

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*says nothing and puts my finger down*

 

[ignaceii]

Still far more better looking and hearing than YuYu Wangs high heels and mini skirt, ouch.
Next phase is a porn actress playing J. Cages 4'33", not so difficult seen the level of the pianist.

Sold out house, and a cd recording at Deutsche Gramophone on top of it for sure. These companies love it these days.

I'll stick with the lovely M.J. Pires at 70, disgusted with marketing to.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Still far more better looking and hearing than YuYu Wangs high heels and mini skirt, ouch.
Next phase is a porn actress playing J. Cages 4'33", not so difficult seen the level of the pianist.

Sold out house, and a cd recording at Deutsche Gramophone on top of it for sure. These companies love it these days.

I'll stick with the lovely M.J. Pires at 70, disgusted with marketing to.

Oh come on now!

Yuja Wang is good!

[Bob]

She appears to be female.


*Bob didn't think she had back hair either.*  That would be gross. 

You don't see guys wearing something like a backless tux very often.

I'm waiting for the violins to get caught looking on camera here. 

It's like some set up for a Matrix situation.  "Are you listening to me?  Or are you looking at the woman in the white dress?"  Which means... This is a training program.  If you're not one of us... You're one... of... them?  Musicians who only wear concert black? 


I actually had something like that happen with a lady in front of me at a concert.  A little distracting, esp. with a music stand right there.  Haha.  During the middle of a piece, my brain butts in, "You know with a shoulderless dress like that and the music stand positioned that way, it almost looks like..."  Smirks from other guys in that row told me I wasn't the only one thinking that.  Years later, that's what I remember.  I have no idea what piece we were playing.

[kakeithewolf]

She appears to be female.


*Bob didn't think she had back hair either.*  That would be gross. 

You don't see guys wearing something like a backless tux very often.

I'm waiting for the violins to get caught looking on camera here. 

It's like some set up for a Matrix situation.  "Are you listening to me?  Or are you looking at the woman in the white dress?"  Which means... This is a training program.  If you're not one of us... You're one... of... them?  Musicians who only wear concert black? 


I actually had something like that happen with a lady in front of me at a concert.  A little distracting, esp. with a music stand right there.  Haha.  During the middle of a piece, my brain butts in, "You know with a shoulderless dress like that and the music stand positioned that way, it almost looks like..."  Smirks from other guys in that row told me I wasn't the only one thinking that.  Years later, that's what I remember.  I have no idea what piece we were playing.

I don't think I've ever seen a straight man in a backless tux.

[Bob]

I didn't know they actually existed.  I don't want to know.  And I don't want to see any guy in one.

I know what this lady reminds me of.  Bad movie.  Fifth Element.  I looked it up.  There's a character named Leeloo with somewhat similar clothing.  Google at your own risk.

[cabbynum]

I didn't know they actually existed.  I don't want to know.  And I don't want to see any guy in one.

I know what this lady reminds me of.  Bad movie.  Fifth Element.  I looked it up.  There's a character named Leeloo with somewhat similar clothing.  Google at your own risk.

I'm a springboard diver and I own a tuxedo that is a speedo. Often times when I get on the board I have on a robe and whip it off for show.
Only for fun meets though.

[ranniks]

Any of these would have suited the occasion much better:



The second from the left and the last two on the right would have been perfect.

You don't see male pianists dressing like this at a concert:





Well, it just shows what level the pianist is.

Now here's a professional:

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Any of these would have suited the occasion much better:



The second from the left and the last two on the right would have been perfect.

You don't see male pianists dressing like this at a concert:





Well, it just shows what level the pianist is.

Now here's a professional:

Men and women have different dress codes.  So what may be suitable for a woman to wear might not be suitable for a man to wear, and vice versa.  Wanna know why?  Because they're men and women!  Two different things!  So you can't compare what men and women wear for concerts.

How the heck does how well the pianist dresses show how good the pianist is?!

Sure Martha is good, but so is that girl who was playing in the OP!  You're just diminishing her playing because she has a revealing back!

A revealing back isn't a big deal. Like dude, it's a back.  And back doesn't even turn anyone on!  Okay it doesn't turn most people on.  Like I'm not gonna say, 'damn girl, you got a nice back'...  What?!

She looks fine, and her playing is fine.

[m1469]

Here is kind of a cool dress.  But for my taste, it would need some modifications.  I generally would prefer not to be concerned about the possibility that my boobs are going to make a break for playing the piano, too:



Ultimately, I'd love to design some of my own clothing.

*searches for more gowns*

[m1469]

This is a good start, too, on a style I would like.  Modifications would include getting rid of the bottom half of those sleeves, and either leaving partial sleeves, or extending the fitted materials down the arm with a functional bell opening.  I would make the "poof" in the lay of the dress less, as well, to modernize it a bit.  I'd also have to modify the bust area.  And, even though the color is OK and is probably good for me, for a performance dress I'd make it more copper/bronze or change it altogether ... like to an eggplant purple, or a forest green.

I am very picky.

[m1469]

Also pretty interesting to me, though again, I'd modify it.  Satin would be nice, pink is OK, but other colors would be nice, too.  I like the shape, but it would be nice if starting just above the bust and down the sleeves it were a high quality lace instead of opaque material, and with a scoopier neck.

[Bob]

Hm.  *Bob becomes aware of one direction music hasn't taken instrument technique in.*  At least I haven't heard of it.  Definitely a niche type of performance technique.

[ranniks]

Men and women have different dress codes.  So what may be suitable for a woman to wear might not be suitable for a man to wear, and vice versa.  Wanna know why?  Because they're men and women!  Two different things!  So you can't compare what men and women wear for concerts.

Listen; how is a man going to wear a dress in the first place!? A dress is suitable for a woman, does that mean a man should wear a dress too now? A suite is suitable for a man, does that mean that a woman should go buy her very own suite?

YES OF COURSE YOU CAN COMPARE WHAT A MAN AND WOMAN WEAR AT A BLOODY CLASSICAL CONCERT!!!!!

A man wears a suite; it's something that shouts out professionality and seriousness, that you havn't come to the classical stage to fumble around. The artist in the OP wears something with her back wide open and the material sticking to all her bodyparts. It speaks of something vulgar that does not belong at the classical stage, end of story. You want to wear crap like that? Go to the club or something. Want to provide classical music that God gave us? You better wear something as 'classical' to match the ocassion.

That Yuja Wang character is also weirdly for wearing those short skirts and what not. Imagine Beethoven looking upon such a person violating his music pieces like that?

Beethoven: I intended this piece to envoke a sense of grief, but seeing as this woman is wearing a skirt significantly above her knees, I think of it as an insult.

Look, if I see a guy with a tank top playing Rach's first piano concerto I will call him out on that. If a pop artist does it, I don't know, probably not. That's just the difference between classical music and all the other genre's in the world; classical music is holy and given to us by God; it's not something to be spat on with flimsy dresses that distract (yes it distracted me!) from enjoying the best music in the world.

Maybe the word vulgar was too outspoken; but common!

[ranniks]

This is a good start, too, on a style I would like.  Modifications would include getting rid of the bottom half of those sleeves, and either leaving partial sleeves, or extending the fitted materials down the arm with a functional bell opening.  I would make the "poof" in the lay of the dress less, as well, to modernize it a bit.  I'd also have to modify the bust area.  And, even though the color is OK and is probably good for me, for a performance dress I'd make it more copper/bronze or change it altogether ... like to an eggplant purple, or a forest green.

I am very picky.

I would turn the dress into yellow, get rid of the white hanging stuff. The cleavage isn't 'that' bad I think. I would remodel it so that the arm components are connected to the midpart. Just like with a regular dress.

That is a taste preference though.

[ranniks]

Here is kind of a cool dress.  But for my taste, it would need some modifications.  I generally would prefer not to be concerned about the possibility that my boobs are going to make a break for playing the piano, too:



Ultimately, I'd love to design some of my own clothing.

*searches for more gowns*

Those dresses would do a Beethoven/Rach concert very much good! Tchaikovsky probably most of all!

But as you said, remodeling it so that the cleavage is hidden slightly more.

[m1469]

For me, my favorite dress and clothing that I currently have is/are handmade, works of art.  The dress itself is silk and lace, and fits me as though it were made for me.  It is extremely comfortable and feels really good, but even beyond that, it's a work of art in and of itself and, I believe, works well with my own sense of artistry.  It is really nice to wear something that is actually artistically inspiring for me on many levels, as I perform as an artist. 

I don't have the money to dress like I would like at this time in my life, but I do think there is something 'to' outwardly wrapping and/or displaying what one has within to give.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Listen; how is a man going to wear a dress in the first place!? A dress is suitable for a woman, does that mean a man should wear a dress too now? A suite is suitable for a man, does that mean that a woman should go buy her very own suite?

YES OF COURSE YOU CAN COMPARE WHAT A MAN AND WOMAN WEAR AT A BLOODY CLASSICAL CONCERT!!!!!

A man wears a suite; it's something that shouts out professionality and seriousness, that you havn't come to the classical stage to fumble around. The artist in the OP wears something with her back wide open and the material sticking to all her bodyparts. It speaks of something vulgar that does not belong at the classical stage, end of story. You want to wear crap like that? Go to the club or something. Want to provide classical music that God gave us? You better wear something as 'classical' to match the ocassion.

That Yuja Wang character is also weirdly for wearing those short skirts and what not. Imagine Beethoven looking upon such a person violating his music pieces like that?

Beethoven: I intended this piece to envoke a sense of grief, but seeing as this woman is wearing a skirt significantly above her knees, I think of it as an insult.

Look, if I see a guy with a tank top playing Rach's first piano concerto I will call him out on that. If a pop artist does it, I don't know, probably not. That's just the difference between classical music and all the other genre's in the world; classical music is holy and given to us by God; it's not something to be spat on with flimsy dresses that distract (yes it distracted me!) from enjoying the best music in the world.

Maybe the word vulgar was too outspoken; but common!

You:  the first bit you said...

EXACTLY!!!

You:  the small bit after that

What?!  You crossed yourself!  The bit before that is the reason why you can't compare!

You:  a little bit later...

HOW the heck is a back vulgar?!  It's a freaking back!  Unless you have a back fetish, that is not giving you a boner.  It's just a back!  Classical music that 'god' gave us?  NOOO!  Give credit to the composers!  Classical music isn't as divine as you think!  

How the heck does wearing a short skirt violate someone's music?  So whenever I'm playing in my pajamas, does it automatically suck?  Or if I'm playing in a tux, does that mean that my playing is always good?  If that's the case, I might as well practice in a tux.  I would get stuff done way faster.  It has NOTHING to do with the music!  I don't care if she could go on stage naked, if she does a good Beethoven, she does a good Beethoven.  Sure even I would comment on her lack of clothing, but I would never attribute that to her playing.

Sure, call out the guy who wears a tank top during a rach concerto if you want, I probably would comment on it too, but don't use that as an excuse to bash on his playing.  You listen with your ears, not your eyes.  If her dress was distracting, then look away.  You went to a concert to hear her, not see her.

"Classical music is holy and given to us by god"

First off, once again, classical music didn't come from god.  It came from us.  God didn't make it, we did!  So we get credit for it!  Second off, so all other genres of music are inferior to classical music?  That's the problem with the classical scene, everyone's so elitist.  Classical music isn't high class, it's for everyone to enjoy!  (I noted you said high class somewhere earlier in the thread...)

[ranniks]

God made us.

So God made Bach.

Bach is a gift from God to us mortals. Just like the other classical composers.

Ask yourself why there is not another Bach now. It is because this era is messed up and because God has not seen it fit to let another chosen one be born.

That is what I believe.

And before you pull evolution on me and all; I know all about it and I support it, but I believe God is behind it all.

That is all.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

God made us.

So God made Bach.

Bach is a gift from God to us mortals. Just like the other classical composers.

God made us.

So god made Hitler.

So that means god gave us the holocaust.

Let's say...  If I end up becoming a composer, and I write some of the 'best' music this world has ever seen, do I give credit to god?  No he/she didn't do anything.  That's MY music!  I put in work to make my music.  Not him/her, I did.  I am the only one who deserves the credit.  

But let's ignore that...



Not everyone likes Bach, like myself for example, and some other people on here.  Some people don't even know that Bach exists.  Some don't even think of him as a musician.  Or think of his writings as compositions.  So if Bach is a gift by god, then he's not a very well received gift.

[Bob]

I'll finish it up.  Could be aliens.

Now we've got Hitler and aliens.  The thread should end soon.

[ranniks]

God made us.

So god made Hitler.

So that means god gave us the holocaust.

Let's say...  If I end up becoming a composer, and I write some of the 'best' music this world has ever seen, do I give credit to god?  No he/she didn't do anything.  That's MY music!  I put in work to make my music.  Not him/her, I did.  I am the only one who deserves the credit.  

But let's ignore that...



Not everyone likes Bach, like myself for example, and some other people on here.  Some people don't even know that Bach exists.  Some don't even think of him as a musician.  Or think of his writings as compositions.  So if Bach is a gift by god, then he's not a very well received gift.

That's different.

God gave us bliss. God gave us the ability to control our actions.

Hitler chose to do wrong things, but Bach didn't.

Also, I have yet to disrespect your military atheistic behaviour, so why are you disrespecting my beliefs? If atheists are so high, mighty and intelligent, why have you people yet to learn common decency? Seriously, that Dawkins guy is an ass.

[ranniks]

I'll finish it up.  Could be aliens.

Now we've got Hitler and aliens.  The thread should end soon.

No and no, just no. Rach.forever decided to attack my beliefs, he should have just respected my way of living like I do to everyone else with their beliefs, e.g. islam, christianity, atheisme etc.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

That's different.

God gave us bliss. God gave us the ability to control our actions.

Hitler chose to do wrong things, but Bach didn't.

Also, I have yet to disrespect your military atheistic behaviour, so why are you disrespecting my beliefs? If atheists are so high, mighty and intelligent, why have you people yet to learn common decency? Seriously, that Dawkins guy is an ass.

Precisely!  Which is why the individual people are the ones who deserve credit.

So if that person decides to do good, we thank god, but if that person decides to do bad, we blame him...

I don't like Dawkins either.

Disrespecting your beliefs?  I was challenging the idea that you think that classical music is holy and brought by god, and therefore superior.  I said that classical music didn't come from god, it came from man.  That is a FACT.  God didn't write my music, I did.  If I have a child and he decides to make a sand castle, I didn't make it for him.  He did.  I'm not attacking your beliefs, I don't even care what they are. It's not a matter of whether or not you believe in god.  It's a matter of giving credit where it's due, and taking classical music off the pedestal you put it on.  Sure you can enjoy listening to it, but it's not holy, or high class.  It's just like any other genre of music.
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Which is why you shouldn't be so appalled by an opened back, and attribute the performers attire to their playing.

You didn't say this directly, but it's implied because you specifically said classical music, instead of all genres of music.

Besides, you're the one who brought god into this.  Which wasn't a big deal until you made it a big deal.  You asserted your beliefs.  You specifically said "god made us" which I didn't challenge by the way!

But let's say I did assert my beliefs as well.  You have NO right to complain!  Because as you have your right to express your beliefs, so do I.  But I'm not going to because this was completely irrelevant to conversation we were having until you started freaking out such that you had to bring up EVOLUTION in order to defend yourself from nothing.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

No and no, just no. Rach.forever decided to attack my beliefs, he should have just respected my way of living like I do to everyone else with their beliefs, e.g. islam, christianity, atheisme etc.

No and no, just no.

HOW THE HECK

did I disrespect your way of living?  Where the heck did you bring your way of life in this?  I don't even know or care about your way of life?

If anything, you're the one who attacked atheists.

 

Also, I have yet to disrespect your military atheistic behaviour, so why are you disrespecting my beliefs? If atheists are so high, mighty and intelligent, why have you people yet to learn common decency?

I didn't say your belief in god was stupid or anything.  But you go out of your way to say that all atheists don't have decency and exhibit malicious behavior.  THAT is offensive.  I never said that your beliefs were stupid, or anything of the sort, so you don't get to talk about being offended.

Quit doing this and just have a normal debate jeez.

[m1469]

How do your beliefs serve the world?

[outin]

But you go out of your way to say that all atheists don't have decency and exhibit malicious behavior.  

I sure could name quite a few religious people from history (or the present) that I would rather not meet...to be honest I don't find the God in most religions such a pleasant fellow either...but to each their own...

And no-one can really know what kind of skeletons were hanging in Bach's closet, religious man or not...although he might have been too busy composing all that stuff to haunt us to do much else  

Happy New Year both of you anyway!

[cabbynum]

How do your beliefs serve the world?

Are you asking atheists or other religions?

If that's the question, atheists live in a much broader world and some help others as best they can while others sit around doing nothing. No I can say the exact same thing for Christianity. It is not a matter of what your religious beliefs are or lack there of. It's more a matter of what your own beliefs are, your standard of good and bad etc, I personally am an atheist, but I help out with whatever I can whenever I can because I think it's the right thing to do. Being nice to others and helping when I can. I am not against Christians or any other religion. I simply don't agree with it. I keep out of their business in hopes they keep out of mine. That doesn't always work, I live in the Bible Belt. I've been an atheist for as long as I can remember, i started getting bullied and harassed by people in 1st grade. These same people continued bullying me through high school. I'm homeschooled right now for my senior year and most of that reason is for piano. There is a share of it that is due to people who claim to be good people because they are Christian, bullying me.  Those people piss me off, "I go to church every Sunday and I'm a great person and very modest..." Most of these people end up being horrible to the few people that aren't Christian at my school and they sleep around more than anyone I've ever met. That pisses me off.

But I have full respect for religious beliefs and staying true to your beliefs I just don't like it when they are complete hypocrites, which I think should be understandable. That was a bit ramble
So here is he gist

I respect others beliefs even if I don't agree with them and I think the religious part of you shouldn't decide whether or not you're a good person.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

How do your beliefs serve the world?

It should be how your actions serve the world. 

You can believe whatever you want, but it's your actions that count.

[cabbynum]

It should be how your actions serve the world. 

You can believe whatever you want, but it's your actions that count.

I couldn't agree more.