What was this pianist thinking wearing something like this at a concert?

[ranniks]

It should be how your actions serve the world.  

You can believe whatever you want, but it's your actions that count.

I'm not doing this with you. Clearly you are a vile creature when trying to debate with me. Instead of reading what I have to say you blabber about me bringing something into the discussion when you began with addressing what I said about 'I thank God for this'. You are so blinded by your atheistic ways that you cannot see to reason. By saying 'you don't care' in that tone of reading, you have said more than enough.

Clearly you need to re-asses your words and come back when you have something to put into why I think the dress is a no no. Instead you have opted to address my belief in God which has nothing to do with the reason that she chose to wear such a vile thing. Her reasoning for wearing such a dress wasn't God in the first place I would say. When you read my line 'Thank God', your atheistic brain went haywire and decided to attack me on something that isn't the primary concern of this thread. Wow I am on fire aren't I?

Consider yourself ignored by me in this thread.

And no, I don't, and read carefully now because I'm using the same tone reading as you did just earlier, care about what you have to say in regards to my reasoning of ignoring you. How does that make you feel?

Now learn to appreciate the greatness that is Bach:p. All your favorite composers acknowledge Bach in one way or the other.

I believe in God, the light in the darkness that I live in, I do not believe in Christianity, Islam nor any other religion.

There.

I'll be more than happy to challenge anyone on the lady's dress-code if they want, but only if they think it wasn't bad of her to wear that, because it was. Why couldn't she wear a more classier dress? It's classical music for God's sake!

Edit:

Sorry for calling you a vile creature, but I stand to my point. It was not very nice of you.

In any case:

To everyone (even you Rach.Forever):

[m1469]

It should be how your actions serve the world. 

So how do they?

[johannesbrahms]

Personally, I am disgusted by someone wearing clothes like that at a classical concert.  I think clothes like that in general are inappropriate anywhere, but especially revolting at a classical concert.  I believe there should be an unofficial dress code for performers in classical concerts and that performers should be willing to follow it.  I think men should wear suits and women should wear dresses.  I also think that in both cases, the clothes should not expose any skin other than the hands (the part of the arm coming right before the wrist is acceptable) and from the neck up.  Classical concerts should be dignified events and thus clothes should be as well.  This includes opera, a genre that is becoming more and more sexual in nature.

Here is a link to a video of a woman whom I believe to be dressed properly for a classical concert, aside from a lower neckline than I would like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9GclucSntw

Aside from my personal beliefs concerning the matter, there is also a practical side to my dress code.  Classical performers tend to talk about trying to draw people's attention to the music, whereas popular performers seem to want people to focus on themselves.  Now, if a woman performs in clothes like those in the video, you cannot possibly tell me honestly that there will not be more than a few men in the audience focusing on her rather than the music.  In all likelihood, most or all of the audience will notice it, and their attention will be at least somewhat divided between performer and music.

Therefore, my conclusion is that if we want to really focus on music rather than performers, we should start dressing in a manner conducive to this end.

[kakeithewolf]

Personally, I am disgusted by someone wearing clothes like that at a classical concert.  I think clothes like that in general are inappropriate anywhere, but especially revolting at a classical concert.  I believe there should be an unofficial dress code for performers in classical concerts and that performers should be willing to follow it.  I think men should wear suits and women should wear dresses.  I also think that in both cases, the clothes should not expose any skin other than the hands (the part of the arm coming right before the wrist is acceptable) and from the neck up.  Classical concerts should be dignified events and thus clothes should be as well.  This includes opera, a genre that is becoming more and more sexual in nature.

Here is a link to a video of a woman whom I believe to be dressed properly for a classical concert, aside from a lower neckline than I would like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9GclucSntw

Aside from my personal beliefs concerning the matter, there is also a practical side to my dress code.  Classical performers tend to talk about trying to draw people's attention to the music, whereas popular performers seem to want people to focus on themselves.  Now, if a woman performs in clothes like those in the video, you cannot possibly tell me honestly that there will not be more than a few men in the audience focusing on her rather than the music.  In all likelihood, most or all of the audience will notice it, and their attention will be at least somewhat divided between performer and music.

Therefore, my conclusion is that if we want to really focus on music rather than performers, we should start dressing in a manner conducive to this end.

I've tended to notice that, when people care more about dress code than intent, the meaning of the event is lost. Because, when people fixate on dress code, they begin to care more about appearance than substance, and that can never lead to anything positive.

Your video doesn't back your point up very well, either. Far too much is shown in the front. FAR too much. The sleeves are also very off-putting, being so short, to the point where I can't even get past that flaw. And I'm not even a person who cares for looks.

And, speaking as a devout pragmatist, I can say with conviction your route is far from the most practical for the purpose you designated. If you truly want a person to experience the sound, you would have the lighting off, so that the performers couldn't be seen.

[thalbergmad]

Seriously, that Dawkins guy is an ass.

Oh dear, I wonder how Dawkins managed to get into a thread about dress code??

If it was a thread about brain dead tambo bangers, I could understand.

Thal

[outin]

  I also think that in both cases, the clothes should not expose any skin other than the hands (the part of the arm coming right before the wrist is acceptable) and from the neck up. 

Now I have to wonder...are you really Mr. Brahms and took a time machine trip to our time?  

I personally prefer to see simple and not too revealing clothes (preferably dark, because I don't like to see all the sweat). That's simply for the pleasure of my eyes (not all people have such a pretty skin anyway so it's best not exposed too much). But since I myself find it nicer to play without sleeves, I would not expect pianists to always wear those either...

I wonder if the mens' suits are as uncomfortable as they seem? If so, they are welcome to wear just a dark shirt or something.

Maybe if I have to perform I could wear one of m1469's dresses? Hoping it would distract the people from my playing...

[ranniks]

Personally, I am disgusted by someone wearing clothes like that at a classical concert.  I think clothes like that in general are inappropriate anywhere, but especially revolting at a classical concert.  I believe there should be an unofficial dress code for performers in classical concerts and that performers should be willing to follow it.  I think men should wear suits and women should wear dresses.  I also think that in both cases, the clothes should not expose any skin other than the hands (the part of the arm coming right before the wrist is acceptable) and from the neck up.  Classical concerts should be dignified events and thus clothes should be as well.  This includes opera, a genre that is becoming more and more sexual in nature.

Here is a link to a video of a woman whom I believe to be dressed properly for a classical concert, aside from a lower neckline than I would like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9GclucSntw

Aside from my personal beliefs concerning the matter, there is also a practical side to my dress code.  Classical performers tend to talk about trying to draw people's attention to the music, whereas popular performers seem to want people to focus on themselves.  Now, if a woman performs in clothes like those in the video, you cannot possibly tell me honestly that there will not be more than a few men in the audience focusing on her rather than the music.  In all likelihood, most or all of the audience will notice it, and their attention will be at least somewhat divided between performer and music.

Therefore, my conclusion is that if we want to really focus on music rather than performers, we should start dressing in a manner conducive to this end.

This is what I was trying to get across. Thank you. That video made me listen more to the piano than eye the performer. It demanded respect and your attention to the music, as should be.

[outin]

Oh dear, I wonder how Dawkins managed to get into a thread about dress code??

From his Foundation website:
Our mission is to support scientific education, critical thinking and evidence-based understanding of the natural world in the quest to overcome religious fundamentalism, superstition, intolerance and human suffering.

So clearly he must be opposed to any suffering caused to humans by ugly attire 

[m1469]

Next time I perform, I will bind up my boobs so they exist less, I will wear a chastity belt so I don't give anybody any ideas, I'll put a bag over my head, and I'll wear a black parachute as a dress.  

[ranniks]

Next time I perform, I will bind up my boobs so they exist less, I will wear a chastity belt so I don't give anybody any ideas, I'll put a bag over my head, and I'll wear a black parachute as a dress.  

Marvelous!

But male pianists don't wear a bag over their head, so you shouldn't either. Also they don't wear a chastity belt, so you shouldn't either.

[m1469]

But male pianists don't wear a bag over their head, so you shouldn't either. Also they don't wear a chastity belt, so you shouldn't either.

So, in response, I'm either supposed to talk about male vs. female, and/or be some kind of rebel or feminist who does whatever she wants, like wear a certain style of dress or talk about wearing a certain style of dress ... and this whole "discussion" is supposed be like Mylie Cyrus and have a similar affect (it's obviously somebody's brain child modeled after the whole issue).  Let's just pretend we did the rounds and have discovered there's no point in having done them.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Clearly you need to re-asses your words and come back when you have something to put into why I think the dress is a no no. Instead you have opted to address my belief in God which has nothing to do with the reason that she chose to wear such a vile thing. Her reasoning for wearing such a dress wasn't God in the first place I would say. When you read my line 'Thank God', your atheistic brain went haywire and decided to attack me on something that isn't the primary concern of this thread. Wow I am on fire aren't I?

You are a liar.  I never addressed your belief in god!  I challenge everyone reading this to quote me challenging his belief in god.  If you find it, I'll stop immediately.  My atheistic brain?  What the heck is thy supposed to mean?  You think you're better than me or something?  Look kid...  I said that I don't care what your beliefs are.  It's none of my concern.  Whether it not you believe in god has NOTHING to do with this, so stop bringing it up.  Anyways, get this straight.  You never said 'thank god'.  THIS is what you said.

classical music is holy and given to us by God; it's not something to be spat on with flimsy dresses that distract (yes it distracted me!) from enjoying the best music in the world.

Got your ass.  THIS is what I was addressing.  This quote explains why you don't like the dress.  I already explained why you are wrong, but instead of thinking of a counter argument, you pull one of these and accuse me of attacking whatever you believe in.

Clearly you are a vile creature when trying to debate with me

Says the guy who brought up evolution and Richard Dawkins.  When a man can't defend his position in an argument, he turns to insults because that's the only thing he has left.

[Bob]

*Bob wonders if this will be the first thread closed by Nils in 2014.*

[hfmadopter]

Next time I perform, I will bind up my boobs so they exist less, I will wear a chastity belt so I don't give anybody any ideas, I'll put a bag over my head, and I'll wear a black parachute as a dress.  

Less interesting for sure, well in black who knows it may be the new fashion statement !!!

[pianoman53]

Yeah, I'm sure all composers rather wants you to talk about what the performer was wearing and not about the music itself. (Thal, no jokes necessary)

[hfmadopter]

*Bob wonders if this will be the first thread closed by Nils in 2014.*

Oh no, I didn't see this Bob ! Before I replied to m1469 that is. You may be on to something.

[Bob]

It's heading that way.  Religion, Hitler... somehow Miley Cyrus got added....


Back on topic...  The original pianists outfit is too far off.  Why?  It generated this thread.  We're discussing clothing instead of the music.  I had to think about what piece of music she was playing. 

[hfmadopter]

It's heading that way.  Religion, Hitler... somehow Miley Cyrus got added....


Back on topic...  The original pianists outfit is too far off.  Why?  It generated this thread.  We're discussing clothing instead of the music.  I had to think about what piece of music she was playing. 

True and the saddest part, she did it well ! Nobody seems to address that part. I never really noticed the dress now it's all about the dress even in my mind, retarded ! Hey, ya know I mentioned it to my wife, showed her the dress. We agreed we have photographed brides dressed similar or maybe V back gowns at the alter getting married. And this dress at least has a strap across the back so most likely she could wear a normal bra. Oops, maybe bad to say that here, sorry !

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Anyways since pianists don't make money, gotta do what you can to survive!

Wearing a short skirt or an open back seems like a small price to pay in order to get a larger audience!

[ranniks]

True and the saddest part, she did it well ! Nobody seems to address that part. I never really noticed the dress now it's all about the dress even in my mind, retarded ! Hey, ya know I mentioned it to my wife, showed her the dress. We agreed we have photographed brides dressed similar or maybe V back gowns at the alter getting married. And this dress at least has a strap across the back so most likely she could wear a normal bra. Oops, maybe bad to say that here, sorry !

But you're not a young buck anymore sir. Your majestic rod of seed does not awaken as it once had.

Edit:

Growing Old
By Matthew Arnold
What is it to grow old?
Is it to lose the glory of the form,
The luster of the eye?
Is it for beauty to forego her wreath?
—Yes, but not this alone.

Is it to feel our strength—
Not our bloom only, but our strength—decay?
Is it to feel each limb
Grow stiffer, every function less exact,
Each nerve more loosely strung?

Yes, this, and more; but not
Ah, ’tis not what in youth we dreamed ’twould be!
’Tis not to have our life
Mellowed and softened as with sunset glow,
A golden day’s decline.

’Tis not to see the world
As from a height, with rapt prophetic eyes,
And heart profoundly stirred;
And weep, and feel the fullness of the past,
The years that are no more.

It is to spend long days
And not once feel that we were ever young;
It is to add, immured
In the hot prison of the present, month
To month with weary pain.

It is to suffer this,
And feel but half, and feebly, what we feel.
Deep in our hidden heart
Festers the dull remembrance of a change,
But no emotion—none.

It is—last stage of all—
When we are frozen up within, and quite
The phantom of ourselves,
To hear the world applaud the hollow ghost
Which blamed the living man.

A beautiful poem I might add......Sometimes it brings me nearly to tears.

[thalbergmad]

Next time I perform, I will bind up my boobs so they exist less, I will wear a chastity belt so I don't give anybody any ideas, I'll put a bag over my head, and I'll wear a black parachute as a dress.  

And you would still look great as true beauty can never be disguised.

Thal

[Bob]

Problem solved.   (You know, it's impossible to find an Amish pianist?)


(True beauty can't be disguised, right?  Haha.)


Jebediah approves.... as soon as she keeps those ankles covered up.




Some audience members still attend just to see her in this outfit.

[ranniks]

Problem solved.   (You know, it's impossible to find an Amish pianist?)


(True beauty can't be disguised, right?  Haha.)


Jebediah approves.... as soon as she keeps those ankles covered up.




Some audience members still attend just to see her in this outfit.

Incredible. I'm sure she will become a fantastic pianist!

[hfmadopter]

But you're not a young buck anymore sir. Your majestic rod of seed does not awaken as it once had.

Nah, not that bad off. Just an open back dress ain't doing anything for no rod of seed man !

[kakeithewolf]

I remember the good old days when concerts were actually about the music performed...

[hfmadopter]

I remember the good old days when concerts were actually about the music performed...

Exactly and I don't really see that this performance is any different. To me ( and my wife as well), the dress just isn't that far out there to cause all this commotion.

[kakeithewolf]

Exactly and I don't really see that this performance is any different. To me ( and my wife as well), the dress just isn't that far out there to cause all this commotion.

Now, if a GUY was wearing that, then there'd be a hell of a lot more reason for people to go nuts.

[hfmadopter]

Now, if a GUY was wearing that, then there'd be a hell of a lot more reason for people to go nuts.

I would find that to be unusual for sure. But hey, in the world today you never know. But too, we have lots of different cultures here at PS, so some would see the dress as a bad thing.

[kakeithewolf]

I would find that to be unusual for sure. But hey, in the world today you never know. But too, we have lots of different cultures here at PS, so some would see the dress as a bad thing.

True.

Personally, I don't like the concept of dresses and skirts. They just don't look appealing to me. But, then again, I'm also the rare kind of person who believes that people should dress casual in classical performances.

[hfmadopter]

True.

Personally, I don't like the concept of dresses and skirts. They just don't look appealing to me. But, then again, I'm also the rare kind of person who believes that people should dress casual in classical performances.

Comfortably neat is good, IMO. It's kind of expected in the pro world I though, that a woman would wear a nice but yet comfortable dress to perform with a world class orchestra. It's not like playing a recital at the local church. We may like to think otherwise, but it really comes down to that in the end. I still see nothing wrong with the white dress though !

[theholygideons]

elsewhere in the world...

definitely looks like she's going clubbing tonight..

[Bob]

*Bob checks out the chair in the background.*  What kind of chair is that?  Just black bars?  A cellist chair?

[senanserat]

Lol dude get over it, if you're scandalized with that then certainly you would die in a romani environment.

[kevin69]

Now, if a GUY was wearing that, then there'd be a hell of a lot more reason for people to go nuts.

Don't google for pictures of Liberace.

[hfmadopter]

elsewhere in the world...
definitely looks like she's going clubbing tonight..

Hmm, ya the wife says this outfit is inappropriate. I think she looks like a cute kid that plays well. My wife agrees that it looks like a clubbing outfit. One thing about the skimpy outfit, you can see how she breaths with the music ! How she plays this piece is calming. I don't read much into the outfit but we aren't in the 1950's anymore I guess and she isn't from that era. One would think there might be more to the outfit, but hey, it's black.

[kakeithewolf]

Comfortably neat is good, IMO. It's kind of expected in the pro world I though, that a woman would wear a nice but yet comfortable dress to perform with a world class orchestra. It's not like playing a recital at the local church. We may like to think otherwise, but it really comes down to that in the end. I still see nothing wrong with the white dress though !

And men just need to suffer. Y chromosomes apparently prohibit comfort.

[ranniks]

And men just need to suffer. Y chromosomes apparently prohibit comfort.

No we don't need to suffer.

[timothy42b]

Next time I perform, I will bind up my boobs so they exist less, I will wear a chastity belt so I don't give anybody any ideas, I'll put a bag over my head, and I'll wear a black parachute as a dress.  

Nah.  Just adjust the lighting.  Dim lighting takes care of the small details. 

Probably a good idea to memorize though. 

[Bob]

Memorize... the music, right?  That's what you meant?

[kakeithewolf]

Memorize... the music, right?  That's what you meant?

No, memorize the lighting.

[lelle]

It's heading that way.  Religion, Hitler... somehow Miley Cyrus got added.... 

I've had many good laughs from this thread today but I think this one was the biggest 

And come on, it's just a dress for heaven's sake. It's debatable if it's fitting within the traditional dress code of the concert stage, but vulgar? The Middle Ages are over, you know...