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Reply #150 on: December 05, 2004, 06:31:44 AM


I think u are talking to the wrong person.

As long as this person understands how sarcastic I am in this case--this is the right person.

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Reply #151 on: December 05, 2004, 06:34:32 AM


As long as this person understands how sarcastic I am in this case--this is the right person.

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Reply #152 on: December 05, 2004, 07:00:53 AM
Just so you all know, here are some facts "the man" doesn't want you to know:

Yundi Li was the second shooter on the grassy knoll. Lang Lang tried to stop him, but didn't get there in time. Also, it was Yundi Li who told Pres. Bush that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Lang Lang tried to convince the president not to go to war, but Yundi's influence was too strong. Finally, we're not sure at this point just how exactly Yundi Li is causing global warming, but rest assured that Lang Lang will get to the bottom of it. Last I heard, Yundi Li was hanging out with Osama bin Laden in an unknown Middle Eastern cave, burning americans flags and calling Lang Lang a "girly man".  The time will come when they meet in an epic piano battle that will decide the fate of the very universe.


conspiracy?.........what conspiracy?..........

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Reply #153 on: December 05, 2004, 07:06:22 AM
Just so you all know, here are some facts "the man" doesn't want you to know:

Yundi Li was the second shooter on the grassy knoll. Lang Lang tried to stop him, but didn't get there in time. Also, it was Yundi Li who told Pres. Bush that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Lang Lang tried to convince the president not to go to war, but Yundi's influence was too strong. Finally, we're not sure at this point just how exactly Yundi Li is causing global warming, but rest assured that Lang Lang will get to the bottom of it. Last I heard, Yundi Li was hanging out with Osama bin Laden in an unknown Middle Eastern cave, burning americans flags and calling Lang Lang a "girly man".  The time will come when they meet in an epic piano battle that will decide the fate of the very universe.


conspiracy?.........what conspiracy?..........

 :o :o :o

Are you serious? Now many things become so much more clear!!!!

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Reply #154 on: December 05, 2004, 11:40:19 AM
The time will come when they meet in an epic piano battle that will decide the fate of the very universe.
That is correct. In fact, i have been selected as arbiter for their preliminary time trials on the Liszt TEs, which serves as the curtain raiser to the main event.

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Reply #155 on: December 18, 2004, 06:56:02 PM
I will be serving cake pie cake (cake flavored like Cake-flavored pie) for those who wish to attend this epic battle. Tips are appreciated.  :)
"I always make sure that the lid over the keyboard is open before I start to play." --  Artur Schnabel, after being asked for the secret of piano playing.

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Reply #156 on: December 19, 2004, 04:00:56 AM
Yundi Li's ascendancy has been stratospheric. His first instrument as a child in China was the piano accordeon and he rapidly moved on to the piano. In 2000, when he was 18, he won the Chopin Competition in Warsaw and from then on a glittering international career seems assured.
I have listened to two of his recordings, the Liszt CD and more recently his recording of the Chopin Scherzi and Impromtus.
I adored his Liszt recording and in particular his reading of the B minor sonata which was a magnificently moving performance.  However, I was disappointed with the Chopin CD.  The playing the was brilliant and immaculate technically, but I was left unmoved. After the pianistic glory of the Liszt I found the Chopin lacking in "soul" and even the sound quality was the cold, steely perfection  of a studio recorded Steinway D grand. The re-creation of Chopin is surely  the pursuit of pianistic poetry, not technical dazzle.

Thank you,
Robert.

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Reply #157 on: December 19, 2004, 05:25:13 AM
Yundi Li's ascendancy has been stratospheric. His first instrument as a child in China was the piano accordeon and he rapidly moved on to the piano. In 2000, when he was 18, he won the Chopin Competition in Warsaw and from then on a glittering international career seems assured.
I have listened to two of his recordings, the Liszt CD and more recently his recording of the Chopin Scherzi and Impromtus.
I adored his Liszt recording and in particular his reading of the B minor sonata which was a magnificently moving performance.  However, I was disappointed with the Chopin CD.  The playing the was brilliant and immaculate technically, but I was left unmoved. After the pianistic glory of the Liszt I found the Chopin lacking in "soul" and even the sound quality was the cold, steely perfection  of a studio recorded Steinway D grand. The re-creation of Chopin is surely  the pursuit of pianistic poetry, not technical dazzle.

Thank you,
Robert.

There is no need to praise Yundi’s Liszt album if you want to criticize his Chopin scherzi.

I think it’s a misconception to think that every piece of Chopin’s compositions must be poetic and soulful. If that is the case, Chopin would have been a very dull person. Was Chopin just a weak soul whose inner life and spirit needed a lot of care by others? Certain not. Although he was not strong physically, he was more manly than many others in wanting to go back to his country to fight the war. Even Samson Francois had misinterpreted Chopin by playing Chopin's sonata No.3 in an absurdly romantic manner. One should play according to the way the music was written. A talented pianist will normally understand the music so well that he is able to interpret it in the best way he can instead of merely imitating from others how the same piece had been played. These four scherzi has nothing to do with romance. You can play them as fast as you like, you can sometimes imitate a child's play or relate it to a playful manner. I think Yundi had followed the music line so well that he was able to great fresh interpretations without a slightest distortion anywhere. Yundi's scherzi is more on the masculine side and it really sounded very good indeed. A true artist will not just copy from others, he must have the intuition to create fresh interpretations whenever it is possible. Of course you don't want to create fresh interpretation just for the sake of being creative as that might ruin the music.


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Reply #158 on: December 19, 2004, 05:59:11 AM
Jeez Louise!  It's just an opinion.  Not everyone has to get the same thing out of a performance, you know.  Don't take it so personally.

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Reply #159 on: December 19, 2004, 06:26:07 AM
Each of us has the right to express our honest and considered opinion on this pianist. In musical performance there are inevitably changes as an artist develops. I believe that I have every right to make a judgement on two very different CDs just as any other person posting on this topic has.
My other point is that "pianistic poetry" has nothing to do with effete or "unmanly" emotion.  Poetry can range from the noble and heroic to the most tender and delicate. It in no way equates to simplistic notions of sexist stereotyping. If you really want to discover what I mean by "soul" in Chopin, listen to the great interpretations by Maurizio Pollini.

Kind regards,
Robert.

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Reply #160 on: December 19, 2004, 07:42:13 AM
Each of us has the right to express our honest and considered opinion on this pianist. In musical performance there are inevitably changes as an artist develops. I believe that I have every right to make a judgement on two very different CDs just as any other person posting on this topic has.
My other point is that "pianistic poetry" has nothing to do with effete or "unmanly" emotion.  Poetry can range from the noble and heroic to the most tender and delicate. It in no way equates to simplistic notions of sexist stereotyping. If you really want to discover what I mean by "soul" in Chopin, listen to the great interpretations by Maurizio Pollini.

Kind regards,
Robert.

Sorry if I have sounded as if you have no right to express yourself here. I was just tired of some people pretending to praise others to make themselves looked  more sincere in their criticisms, haha! No offence.

I know poetic playing is related to beautiful playing and playing that is very moving emotionally. Poetry is normally related to literature.

I certainly cannot agree with you when you wrote:

“If you really want to discover what I mean by "soul" in Chopin, listen to the great interpretations by Maurizio Pollini.”

Pollini’s playing is normally too clinical to be associated with “soul”. If you say Arthur Rubinstein, Zimmerman or Yundi, I may agree with you, but certainly not Pollini. The most soulful playing I have ever heard is the beginning part of Chopin ‘s piano concerto No.1 played by Yundi during that Chopin competition. I have also heard Pollini’s scherzo, but I really don’t feel that Pollini's scherzi  has anything to do with “soul”. By the way,  Pollini’s beginning part of scherzo No.1 is too blur. I am rather Surprised to hear this from a pianist whose technique is normally regarded as good. I suppose it has something to do with his readiness in his preparation before recording this piece. 

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Reply #161 on: December 19, 2004, 08:26:31 AM
Thank you tibidi and in retrospect I think that I should listen to some more Yundi Li as you have done.  I have never heard him play in person and I have only listened to those two CDs. I believe that he has released some other recordings.  I am also interested in China and Chinese culture and it is amazing that possibly the two newest, most celebrated pianists in the world are from China: Lang Lang and Yundi Li.

Kind regards,
Robert.

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Reply #162 on: December 19, 2004, 02:32:24 PM

it is amazing that possibly the two newest, most celebrated pianists in the world are from China: Lang Lang and Yundi Li.

Kind regards,
Robert.

I am not sure if both are the most celebrated pianists in the world but I do believe that by Yundi's  artistic playing, he will continue to be one of the major contibutors in the field of piano art .

Yundi had mentioned recently that the conductor of a concerto is not so important but the soloist is more important. I have always wondered if Yundi is as lucky as Lang Lang in getting good orchestras and good conductors to work with, poor Yundi!!!

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Reply #163 on: December 19, 2004, 06:28:03 PM
I did not express myself clearly here. I meant that for their age, they are the two celebrated pianists in the world. 


Kind regards,
Robert.

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Reply #164 on: December 20, 2004, 03:40:52 PM
These four scherzi has nothing to do with romance. You can play them as fast as you like
Tibidi u feckin LEGEND!!! an invitaion is in ordah: https://www.dasdc.net/forum/index.php

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Reply #165 on: December 20, 2004, 03:56:20 PM

Tibidi u feckin LEGEND!!! an invitaion is in ordah: https://www.dasdc.net/forum/index.php

 8)

I don't understand you.

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Reply #166 on: December 21, 2004, 05:09:11 PM


I don't understand you.
I is just expressin ma utmost respect fo ur AFAP philosophy 8)

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Reply #167 on: January 29, 2005, 06:22:52 AM
Can not say too much about this fight.
But what interests me is that I found a large number of Li and LL 's fans are so
blind that they will not allow any negative opinions, and keeping attacking others
with no technical analysis.

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Reply #168 on: January 29, 2005, 10:18:37 AM
Can not say too much about this fight.
But what interests me is that I found a large number of Li and LL 's fans are so
blind that they will not allow any negative opinions, and keeping attacking others
with no technical analysis.


Either you don't understand what has been going on or you are just another fan of Lang Lang trying to mislead people. There was not a single fan of Yundi but me trying to defend Yundi's music but there has been waves of attacks on Yundi's music by various people.  Those attacks on Yundi's music are not genuine criticisms, some people are out there to mislead the whole world. The world of classical music has been turned into an ugly world, so ugly that I feel like giving up listening to classical music.

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Reply #169 on: January 29, 2005, 07:34:59 PM

 Yundi's music

Since when has it become anyone's music but the composer's? And why do pianists and other classical musicians need "fans"?

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Reply #170 on: January 30, 2005, 03:24:41 AM


Since when has it become anyone's music but the composer's? And why do pianists and other classical musicians need "fans"?

Under Lang Lang's fingers, you hear robot playing, but under another pianist's fingers, music is very much alive. So you have what you call Lang Lang's music.

There are fan clubs of Yundi in Korea and Japan with a few thousand of fans in each club but fans of Yundi are not active in cyberspace at all except me. Although you don't hear of Lang Lang's fan club, but fans of Lang Lang are everywhere, every corner, some even tried to get close to Yundi, horrible!






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Reply #171 on: January 31, 2005, 04:32:47 AM


Under Lang Lang's fingers, you hear robot playing, but under another pianist's fingers, music is very much alive. So you have what you call Lang Lang's music.

There are fan clubs of Yundi in Korea and Japan with a few thousand of fans in each club but fans of Yundi are not active in cyberspace at all except me. Although you don't hear of Lang Lang's fan club, but fans of Lang Lang are everywhere, every corner, some even tried to get close to Yundi, horrible!

tibidi, after skimming through this entire thread, i can conclusively say that you are out of your mind. Anybody who says anything praiseful of LL or critical of Li gets accused, by you, of being a LL fan trying to "mislead" people. However, when somebody points out that you do this, your response is to then call THAT person a LL fan trying to "mislead" people. It seems that the only person trying to sway people one way or the other in this thread is you. Your entire intention on this thread seems to be to put down LL and to promote Li, and it seems you cannot accept the fact that most of us just want to listen to music and only critique pianists based on our own opinions of the music we've heard. We don't have hidden agendas to try to help LL take over the planet, nor do we have any conspiracy to stifle Li's popularity. If we like something we've heard of LL, or if we dislike something we've heard of Li, we should be able to post our feelings without being accused of participating in some conspiracy theory.
Favorite pianists include Pollini, Casadesus, Mendl (from the Vienna Piano Trio), Hungerford, Gilels, Argerich, Iturbi, Horowitz, Kempff, and I suppose Barenboim (gotta love the CSO). Too many others.

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Reply #172 on: January 31, 2005, 08:05:57 AM


We don't have hidden agendas to try to help LL take over the planet, nor do we have any conspiracy to stifle Li's popularity.

How do we know if you have any  hidden agendas or not, but we hate to see all kinds of lies about other musicians.

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Reply #173 on: January 31, 2005, 07:34:50 PM


How do we know if you have any  hidden agendas or not, but we hate to see all kinds of lies about other musicians.

Lies?!?!?! We're talking about PERSONAL OPINIONS!!! You seem to think that if anybody PERSONALLY LIKES something by Lang Lang, that they are conspiring to give LL more press and to bring Li down. Or if somebody PERSONALLY DISLIKES something by Li, you accuse them of the same. You honestly come off like a freaking lunatic. This is a forum to discuss piano, piano playing, piano teaching, and piano players. It is ridiculous for you to throw these accusations around just because somebody says something in support of LL or expresses a dislike of Li. I haven't even said anything about either pianist, yet your response still takes the tone of suspicion: "How do we know if you have any hidden agendas or not?" It's quite insulting to everyone on this forum for you to assume that any opinions countering your own are part of a conspiracy theory. Hell, I didn't even give an opinion on the artists at hand (LL and Li), yet just for pointing out your negative attitude, you question my own agenda, as though I'm part of some online conspiracy to stifle Li's popularity and promote LL's. Two words: GROW UP!!!
Favorite pianists include Pollini, Casadesus, Mendl (from the Vienna Piano Trio), Hungerford, Gilels, Argerich, Iturbi, Horowitz, Kempff, and I suppose Barenboim (gotta love the CSO). Too many others.

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Reply #174 on: February 01, 2005, 08:01:56 AM


Lies?!?!?! We're talking about PERSONAL OPINIONS!!! You seem to think that if anybody PERSONALLY LIKES something by Lang Lang, that they are conspiring to give LL more press and to bring Li down. Or if somebody PERSONALLY DISLIKES something by Li, you accuse them of the same. You honestly come off like a freaking lunatic. This is a forum to discuss piano, piano playing, piano teaching, and piano players. It is ridiculous for you to throw these accusations around just because somebody says something in support of LL or expresses a dislike of Li. I haven't even said anything about either pianist, yet your response still takes the tone of suspicion: "How do we know if you have any hidden agendas or not?" It's quite insulting to everyone on this forum for you to assume that any opinions countering your own are part of a conspiracy theory. Hell, I didn't even give an opinion on the artists at hand (LL and Li), yet just for pointing out your negative attitude, you question my own agenda, as though I'm part of some online conspiracy to stifle Li's popularity and promote LL's. Two words: GROW UP!!!

You  have reminded  me of someone who used to pretend to support Yundi for the past few years and I was stupid enough to have believed that the support was genuine. Others could only fooled me for one year but this person managed to fool me for three years. These people just swarmed to the sites dedicated to Yundi pretending that they are fans of Yundi and I was foolish enough to have believed them for about one year. When they attacked Yundi’s music, I didn’t suspect anything, when they ganged up to scould me and isolated me, I didn’t suspect anything. It was only after the website master started to advertise Lang Lang using the site dedicated to Yundi , then I began to realize that these people are fans of Lang Lang. I had used to wonder why these people were so unkind towards me who had shown so much appreciation for Yundi’s music. So the picture is clear, they are all fans of lang Lang pretending to support Yundi. There has been some new development recently, but I am not stupid again to believe what had happened by judging on the surface only. There is no need for me to say anything more regarding the new development. If you are not the person I think you are, just don’t yell back, ok?

I just wrote one line in responding to your previous post here and yet you reply with 
“Lies?!?!?!” and then followed by a lot nonsense as if  I was the first one to have mentioned about the hidden agendas. It was you youself who had written:

“We don't have hidden agendas to try to help LL take over the planet, nor do we have any conspiracy to stifle Li's popularity. have any hidden agendas”.

So, my response was:

“How do we know if you have such hidden agendas or not”.

You can certainly mislead people into believing that I am a freaking lunatic if people just read this single post of yours. But those who had read my previous posts in this and other threads will certainly understand my complaints.

My complaints is a result of what I had experienced. Can you explain to me why there were so much nonsense written about Yundi by Chinese newspapers, magazines, and Chinese websites? Can you explain to me why these people never forgot to praise Lang Lamg to sky high at the same time? So, even if these people talked a lot of nonsense, it is regarded as normal by you? If that is normal, why wasn’t  the opposite happen as well? Why wasn’t there similar attacks on Lang Lang for the past few years? Why wasn’t people who showed support for Lang Lang blocked by those Chinese websites? Instead person like me who couldn’t tolerate absurd attack on Yundi  is blocked by those sites for more than ten times? Didn’t those people gang up together to try to oust me from one site dedicated to Yundi without success? Why are there so many people trying to defend Lang Lang but there was not a single person but me to speak out for Yundi? Explain all these to me before you think that I have no right to complain.

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Re: Yundi Li
Reply #175 on: February 01, 2005, 09:20:53 AM
You can certainly mislead people into believing that I am a freaking lunatic

Don't worry, aquariuswb, we don't need you to mislead us, we can decide for ourselves.   ;)

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Reply #176 on: February 03, 2005, 08:46:24 PM
well, I like Yundi's new Chopin: Scherzi and Impromtus release. I think he gets better with every CD he makes.

yours
Maja

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Reply #177 on: February 04, 2005, 08:27:31 AM
I think he gets better with every CD he makes.

yours
Maja

In my opinion, Yundi Li has always been very good. Even at his very young age, he had already played like a professional.

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Reply #178 on: February 04, 2005, 11:27:42 AM
tibidi, do you know Maja81 also posted this:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5403.msg66371.html#msg66371

How is that possible???

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Reply #179 on: February 04, 2005, 11:30:04 AM
hahahaha  ;D

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Reply #180 on: February 04, 2005, 12:28:41 PM
tibidi, do you know Maja81 also posted this:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5403.msg66371.html#msg66371

How is that possible???

Posted what? I don't understand you. The website you had put up here is just the list of the categories of the different topics of this forum. Do speak up clearly what you mean instead of trying  to mislead other people by your hahahaha!

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Reply #181 on: February 04, 2005, 12:37:02 PM


tibidi, after skimming through this entire thread, i can conclusively say that you are out of your mind. Anybody who says anything praiseful of LL or critical of Li gets accused, by you, of being a LL fan trying to "mislead" people. However, when somebody points out that you do this, your response is to then call THAT person a LL fan trying to "mislead" people. It seems that the only person trying to sway people one way or the other in this thread is you. Your entire intention on this thread seems to be to put down LL and to promote Li, and it seems you cannot accept the fact that most of us just want to listen to music and only critique pianists based on our own opinions of the music we've heard. We don't have hidden agendas to try to help LL take over the planet, nor do we have any conspiracy to stifle Li's popularity. If we like something we've heard of LL, or if we dislike something we've heard of Li, we should be able to post our feelings without being accused of participating in some conspiracy theory.

  Amen.  well said.

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Reply #182 on: February 04, 2005, 01:19:36 PM
Why do you people have to answer for aquariuswb? I have no interest to have any exchange with anyone  who might have been one of those people who had flooded my email box with virus attachments. Even now, whenever I clicked to the website dedicated to Yundi, my computer will hang up and my conputer started to have problem. That is why I have deleted that website from my favourite list. You know what that website had done to me before? Whenever I clicked to open that site, there was a very nasty message shown on my conmputer screen, sometimes there was pornographic pictures popping  up on my computer screen whenever I clicked to open that site. Doesn't that show that the site dedicated to Yundi is actually controlled by people who are not Yundi's fans? These people have all disappeared from that site and not a single soul is dropping any post there any more. I do  know why.

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Reply #183 on: February 06, 2005, 09:57:40 PM
Why do you people have to answer for aquariuswb? I have no interest to have any exchange with anyone  who might have been one of those people who had flooded my email box with virus attachments. Even now, whenever I clicked to the website dedicated to Yundi, my computer will hang up and my conputer started to have problem. That is why I have deleted that website from my favourite list. You know what that website had done to me before? Whenever I clicked to open that site, there was a very nasty message shown on my conmputer screen, sometimes there was pornographic pictures popping  up on my computer screen whenever I clicked to open that site. Doesn't that show that the site dedicated to Yundi is actually controlled by people who are not Yundi's fans? These people have all disappeared from that site and not a single soul is dropping any post there any more. I do  know why.

Hahaha, it sounds like you have a virus to me! Just a thought...
Favorite pianists include Pollini, Casadesus, Mendl (from the Vienna Piano Trio), Hungerford, Gilels, Argerich, Iturbi, Horowitz, Kempff, and I suppose Barenboim (gotta love the CSO). Too many others.

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Reply #184 on: February 06, 2005, 10:47:18 PM
Why do you people have to answer for aquariuswb? I have no interest to have any exchange with anyone  who might have been one of those people who had flooded my email box with virus attachments. Even now, whenever I clicked to the website dedicated to Yundi, my computer will hang up and my conputer started to have problem. That is why I have deleted that website from my favourite list. You know what that website had done to me before? Whenever I clicked to open that site, there was a very nasty message shown on my conmputer screen, sometimes there was pornographic pictures popping  up on my computer screen whenever I clicked to open that site. Doesn't that show that the site dedicated to Yundi is actually controlled by people who are not Yundi's fans?

Could it be that you are antagonizing people? Like those on this forum? Just a thought.

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Reply #185 on: February 07, 2005, 06:07:07 AM


Could it be that you are antagonizing people? Like those on this forum? Just a thought.

What is considered as antagonizing by you? Have I antagonized people here or have I just tried to put thing in a more correct perspective? Why are people here so fond of misleading other people?

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Reply #186 on: February 07, 2005, 08:50:48 AM
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Besides talking about money, Lang Lang had also compared himself with Yundi in an absurd manner. Again, Yundi cannot be compared with him at all. This interview was published in a full page of a Malaysia major newspaper Nanyang Sian Pau just a few months before Yundi was supposed to perform there. Poor Yundi, he didn’t even have a slightest news coverage for him before and after his performance there. There was absolutely no news coverage for Yundi at all. Has Yundi’s agent really neglected the importance of publicity for Yundi or is there some other reason? If his agent had neglected publicity for Yundi, Yundi ought to get a beter agent for the  Asia region.

Actually, in Malaysia and the surrounding region, most people don't listen to either that much.  But... I know at least two others who are insane about Yundi and I don't know anyone who likes LL.  In fact, YL didn't need publicity.  His concert there was packed.

Tibidi, I certainly agree that YL is better and many have said the same in this thread.  However, you have continued to fling "misleading" and "agenda" around at unsuspecting civilians as if you were some politician ;) .  Stop.  Take a deep breath.  Now, you seem to be mixing this site and some other site up.  And you really sound tense.  How do you play the piano when you're so... tense?     
Mad about Chopin.

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Reply #187 on: February 07, 2005, 11:24:43 AM


Actually, in Malaysia and the surrounding region, most people don't listen to either that much.  But... I know at least two others who are insane about Yundi and I don't know anyone who likes LL.  In fact, YL didn't need publicity.  His concert there was packed.

Tibidi, I certainly agree that YL is better and many have said the same in this thread.  However, you have continued to fling "misleading" and "agenda" around at unsuspecting civilians as if you were some politician ;) .  Stop.  Take a deep breath.  Now, you seem to be mixing this site and some other site up.  And you really sound tense.  How do you play the piano when you're so... tense?     

Who is tense? I think it's the other way round, haha!

Stop? Stop what? Relax! I can also say the same thing to you, please STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To say that at least two are insane about Yundi is just another attempt trying to smear Yundi.

Who mentioned about 'agenda' in the first place? One of you people, isn't it? Relax!

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Reply #188 on: February 07, 2005, 11:49:37 AM
Do take note that I have never started a new topic here, so, stop what?  Except for my first post here which is connected with my criticisms about  Lang Lang's music, all other posts that I  had written  here are only my attempts trying to respond to posts written by you people. I guess there is nothing wrong in giving my honest view about Lang Lang? Do you expect me to agree with everything you people had written here? If I don't agree with your view about Kissin, must I remain silent?

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Reply #189 on: February 07, 2005, 01:03:36 PM
What is considered as antagonizing by you? Have I antagonized people here or have I just tried to put thing in a more correct perspective? Why are people here so fond of misleading other people?

This is what I mean: you accuse people of "misleading" the world, even if their posts are supportive, or don't have anything to do with the topic. You constantly mis-interpret people's posts, like the one above from Galonia, because you couldn't even click on the presented link. And you did it again with Chopinesque's post. Being "insane" about someone means adoring that person. It is not "another attempt trying to smear Yundi". Get your language right before you start throwing accusations around.

I for my part am pretty fed up with this nonsense. You intepret everything in a negative light, even if it is absolutely positive. You are so "tense" (I don't want to use other words) that you don't even realize that most people here are very much in favor of YL, but with your constant bickering, you have not done him a service. Perhaps that was your intent all along?

You will probably now accuse me of misleading people...  ::)

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Reply #190 on: February 07, 2005, 01:21:55 PM

 like the one above from Galonia, because you couldn't even click on the presented link.

I know there has been attempt trying to make me looked like a lunatic accusing people for nothing so that everthing I wrote is nonsense.

I haven't accused Galonia of anything, had I? He had just reminded me too much of those nonsense in the past.  I don't think you will succeed in such an attempt to try to put me in the wrong.  Now, let us get one thing right at a time, what do you mean by clicking on the presented link? What was Galonia trying to say?

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Reply #191 on: February 07, 2005, 02:56:43 PM
Now, let us get one thing right at a time, what do you mean by clicking on the presented link? What was Galonia trying to say?

Do I really have to explain this? Maja81 had a praising post about YL to which you responded. But Galonia pointed out that Maja81 also had a favorable post about LL, posted the link to that message, and wanted to know "how that is possible?" You only had a derogatory response to that, because you apparently couldn't follow that link. But more importantly, you immediately presented your standard accusation about the "hahaha", which wasn't even from Galonia, but from Brewtality, who obviously understood the irony.

All this shows that you should indeed relax a bit more and should be a lot more careful with your accusations. First, make sure you direct them at the right people and second, make sure they are justified. All this is so childish (that I even have to point it out). I've said enough! Please make this thread go away.

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Reply #192 on: February 07, 2005, 04:56:35 PM
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You  have reminded  me of someone who used to pretend to support Yundi for the past few years and I was stupid enough to have believed that the support was genuine. Others could only fooled me for one year but this person managed to fool me for three years. These people just swarmed to the sites dedicated to Yundi pretending that they are fans of Yundi and I was foolish enough to have believed them for about one year. When they attacked Yundi’s music, I didn’t suspect anything, when they ganged up to scould me and isolated me, I didn’t suspect anything. It was only after the website master started to advertise Lang Lang using the site dedicated to Yundi , then I began to realize that these people are fans of Lang Lang. I had used to wonder why these people were so unkind towards me who had shown so much appreciation for Yundi’s music. So the picture is clear, they are all fans of lang Lang pretending to support Yundi. There has been some new development recently, but I am not stupid again to believe what had happened by judging on the surface only. There is no need for me to say anything more regarding the new development. If you are not the person I think you are, just don’t yell back, ok?

Dude.....that is just the saddest and lamest thing I've ever heard. Let's build a "fake" website for Li, wait a year, and then........muwahahahahah, now it's a site for Lang Lang.

right.........


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Bri

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Reply #193 on: February 07, 2005, 06:15:20 PM
lol this thread has gotten hilarious. Thanks for the efforts, xvimbi, it's kind of the equivalent of convincing an 8-year-old that there is no Santa Clause, if you know what I mean...
Favorite pianists include Pollini, Casadesus, Mendl (from the Vienna Piano Trio), Hungerford, Gilels, Argerich, Iturbi, Horowitz, Kempff, and I suppose Barenboim (gotta love the CSO). Too many others.

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Reply #194 on: February 08, 2005, 02:31:10 AM
Have I been blocked?

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Reply #195 on: February 08, 2005, 02:32:57 AM
Have I been blocked?
NO YOU NUMBSKULL!!!!!!
Favorite pianists include Pollini, Casadesus, Mendl (from the Vienna Piano Trio), Hungerford, Gilels, Argerich, Iturbi, Horowitz, Kempff, and I suppose Barenboim (gotta love the CSO). Too many others.

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Reply #196 on: February 08, 2005, 02:44:23 AM


Do I really have to explain this? Maja81 had a praising post about YL to which you responded. But Galonia pointed out that Maja81 also had a favorable post about LL, posted the link to that message, and wanted to know "how that is possible?" You only had a derogatory response to that, because you apparently couldn't follow that link. But more importantly, you immediately presented your standard accusation about the "hahaha", which wasn't even from Galonia, but from Brewtality, who obviously understood the irony.

All this shows that you should indeed relax a bit more and should be a lot more careful with your accusations. First, make sure you direct them at the right people and second, make sure they are justified. All this is so childish (that I even have to point it out). I've said enough! Please make this thread go away.

Just not being able to post anything yesterday, strange! I thought I will try again today and there is no such problem now. What is going on? I guess I will be accused of something again?

Yesterday, I wrote a post as follows:

Golonia didn't write anything of that sort as described by xvimbi, how do you expect me to be able to read Golonia's mind? Furthermore, Golonia didn't post the link to the message written by the other fellow, instead it is the link to the page containing a list of topics such as Performance...miscellameous. Is xvimbi justified in his accusation of me?


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Reply #197 on: February 08, 2005, 02:47:10 AM
I think I better post less in future.

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Reply #198 on: February 08, 2005, 02:51:07 AM


 But Galonia pointed out that Maja81 also had a favorable post about LL, posted the link to that message, and wanted to know "how that is possible?"


Could xvimbi point out where exactly Galonia had written that for me? If there is no more reply from xvimbi, I shall come here less often unless it is absolutely necessary.

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Reply #199 on: February 08, 2005, 03:16:27 AM


Could xvimbi point point out where exactly Galonia had written that for me? If there is no more reply from xvimbi, I shall come here less often unless it is absolutely necessary.

Right here:

tibidi, do you know Maja81 also posted this:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5403.msg66371.html#msg66371

How is that possible???

The point is that Maja81 has posted praise for both LL and Li... which according to you, makes her part of the "conspiracy theory."



I think I better post less in future.

Good call
Favorite pianists include Pollini, Casadesus, Mendl (from the Vienna Piano Trio), Hungerford, Gilels, Argerich, Iturbi, Horowitz, Kempff, and I suppose Barenboim (gotta love the CSO). Too many others.
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