Question about Ligeti's Etude: Touches bloquees

[dlu]

In the piece (genius, isn't it?) like in the fourth measure where in the bottom clef are a G-flat eight note followed by an F-natural eight note, what hand are those played in. It looks like they were only put on that staff just to keep it organized, but is it really played by the left hand (if it is...i wish I had bigger hands)? What fingerings would you reccomend or what fingerings do you use yourself?
Thanks,
DLu
P.S. If you need more clarification just let me know...

[liszmaninopin]

I love this piece!  Unfortunately, it's very difficult, and can really tie the hands in knots with all the key blocks and such.

If I understand what you refer to, what I do with the bottom staff is play the notes with stems upward with the right hand, stems downward with the left.  For example, in measures 3-4, I hit the b with my left fifth finger, the g flat and f with the fifth and fourth fingers of the right hand, continuing the chromatic scale with the first 2 fingers.

[dlu]

I love this piece!  Unfortunately, it's very difficult, and can really tie the hands in knots with all the key blocks and such.

If I understand what you refer to, what I do with the bottom staff is play the notes with stems upward with the right hand, stems downward with the left.  For example, in measures 3-4, I hit the b with my left fifth finger, the g flat and f with the fifth and fourth fingers of the right hand, continuing the chromatic scale with the first 2 fingers.

Thanks. This is the answer I was hoping for. My hands aren't big enough (although are not small at all compared to most my age) for the other method (the whole bottom staff with the left hand). Thanks again, DLu.

[liszmaninopin]

Really, though, I will suggest one more thing when practicing this etude.  Be very careful!  It's easy to slip and accidentally release some of the blocked keys, or to miss beats, both of which will destroy the effect that you're trying to create.  This is one piece where I think slow practice may be very valuable, at least until you're fully comfortable with what you're doing.

[liszmaninopin]

Is this the only Ligeti etude you're working on?  I might suggest to you to learn all of book 1, as the six etudes work together in performance almost like one extended piece.  You have the fast desordre, the beautiful cordes a vide, touches bloquees, fanfares (which is a very fun piece!), the slightly jazzy arc-en-ciel, with automne a varsovie providing a big finale.   

[ravel]

can you tell me some good recordings of ligeti etudes?

[DarkWind]

Pierre-Laurent Aimard is the ONLY way to go. Don't just take my word for it, take Ligeti's word for it too. Aimard is Ligeti's favorite pianist, the one who knows the most about his work.

[dlu]

Is this the only Ligeti etude you're working on?  I might suggest to you to learn all of book 1, as the six etudes work together in performance almost like one extended piece.  You have the fast desordre, the beautiful cordes a vide, touches bloquees, fanfares (which is a very fun piece!), the slightly jazzy arc-en-ciel, with automne a varsovie providing a big finale.   

I am learning three at the moment. The touches bloquees (No. 3) Fem (No. and Die Zaberhling (No. 10, I'm sure I spelled that wrong). I am learning them for a senior (ages 14-19) piano competition next year. I will also play a Scarlatti Sonata (449) then the Two Beethoven Cadenzas for Mozarts D- Concerto (WoO 58?). And then I will play the three Ligeti Etudes. Then well....I will play either both or one (I have a year to decide, what do you think, I have only 25 min. to play) the Grand Galope Chromatique (I am a little hesitant to pick this as I  am sure they have heard it before and because of the the false virtuosity) and/or Rachmaninoff's B-Major (no. 2) Prelude. Suggestion?
Thanks,
DLu

[steinwaymodeld]

Pierre-Laurent Aimard is the ONLY way to go. Don't just take my word for it, take Ligeti's word for it too. Aimard is Ligeti's favorite pianist, the one who knows the most about his work.

I agree totally

I got Biret's recording and I regretted so much.

Aimard and Libetta are the only 2 people in this world can play Ligeti like the way it should be played.

[dlu]

I agree totally

I got Biret's recording and I regretted so much.

Aimard and Libetta are the only 2 people in this world can play Ligeti like the way it should be played.

Thanks for letting me know that I can't play Ligeti!...jk...
So...scratch what i said earlier...here is my program:
Scarlatti Sonata L. 449
Beethoven-WoO58 Two Cadenzas for Mozart's D- Concerto (they sound alright out of context)
3 Ligeti Etudes:
Touches Bloquees
Automne a Varsovie
Der Zauberhling (still don't know if i spelled that right)
Rachmaninoff-Prelude in B-Flat Major no. 2 i think (from the first opus of preludes)

I think I could possibly add one more short piece in between the etudes and the prelude but I will get to that when I see how long it takes me to play all of this. I should probably add some Debussy or Ravel.