Pieces with 11th chords

[be4stelectrjc]

I need to play 11th chords, i know Alkan concerto, Henselt piano concerto, Rachmaninoff op 32 13, Rachmaninoff concertos. And what else?

[mjames]

Lucky you I can barely play octave chords.

[stevensk]

Lucky you I can barely play octave chords.

A 11th chord is not the same as a 11th intervall (and if so, you have two hands  )

[be4stelectrjc]

For example Ab F Ab Db in left hand and Db F Ab Db in the right hand. I can play the chord in the left without split. A chord with an intervall of 11. Do you know composers that write chords large as this?

[mjames]

Idk I still don't get it


Explain it to me with music? (Like an example taken from a manuscript). Idk what I'm searching for so googles confusing me.

[quantum]

Chopin Op 10/11

A whole lot of Scriabin uses widely spaced chords. 

[j_menz]

I need to play 11th chords

Why? What's so special about them?

[quantum]

Some of these chords are a bit larger than an 11th 

Cowell - The Tides of Manaunaun

[be4stelectrjc]

Why? What's so special about them?

I need to stretch my hands.

[be4stelectrjc]

Idk I still don't get it


Explain it to me with music? (Like an example taken from a manuscript). Idk what I'm searching for so googles confusing me.

Final chords of op 32 13 Rachmaninoff.

[be4stelectrjc]

Some of these chords are a bit larger than an 11th  

Cowell - The Tides of Manaunaun

There are chords in the left hand with 25 notes or more, we have five fingers in each hand, you must use the left forearm.

[be4stelectrjc]

Chopin Op 10/11

A whole lot of Scriabin uses widely spaced chords. 

Scriabin and Chopin didn't had a big hand, i think more than a 10th difficult to find.

[pjaul]

The c-minor nocturne op 48 no 1 by Chopin might be an example.  I'm thinking of the central chorale section in c major.  These chords are usually rolled though.

[theholygideons]

scriabin op.11 no.1 is full of 9ths and 11ths. It has a nice shimmering quality to it because of it

[be4stelectrjc]

The c-minor nocturne op 48 no 1 by Chopin might be an example.  I'm thinking of the central chorale section in c major.  These chords are usually rolled though.

There are even 12th here, but as you say Chopin wrote these chords rolled and with the pedal.

[be4stelectrjc]

scriabin op.11 no.1 is full of 9ths and 11ths. It has a nice shimmering quality to it because of it

There aren't 11th chords, only a lot of arpeggios.

[be4stelectrjc]

This could be a situation.

[mjames]

You guys are confusing me, judging by the picture OP posted my first comment was correct.

SO, I'll say it again.

l can barely play chords that span an octave. (F aflat f) for example. LUCKY YOU.

[j_menz]

This could be a situation.

The chords in you image would usually be rolled. Not many people reach an 11th, and there's not much that requires it for that reason.

[be4stelectrjc]

The chords in you image would usually be rolled. Not many people reach an 11th, and there's not much that requires it for that reason.

You're right, i have listened a lot of interpretations of this piece and there are always rolled, but this it isn't what the score says. Rachmaninoff himself rolled the first chords of piano concerto 2 even he could take them easily.

[be4stelectrjc]

What about Brahms?

[coherence]

scriabin op.11 no.1 is full of 9ths and 11ths. It has a nice shimmering quality to it because of it

my copy of op. 11 no. 5 has a footnote saying "Here Scriabin thought it possible to add the fifth in the bass, thus:" which makes three notes stretching all the way out to a twelfth. I have huge hands so I'm like, what's the big deal? But of course it would have been meant to be rolled, or the fifth played separately with the melody note out of time or something.

[be4stelectrjc]

What's your hand span? Even my hand can take a chord like this. I will take a look to prelude 5 op 11

[theholygideons]

There aren't 11th chords, only a lot of arpeggios.

oh please, you want chords? I'll give you chords!

[be4stelectrjc]

oh please, you want chords? I'll give you chords!

Thanks man. What's the piece?

[be4stelectrjc]

What's version of op 11 5 Scriabin do you have? I don't see a footnote here.

[theholygideons]

Thanks man. What's the piece?

Fête-dieu à Seville from book 1 of Iberia.

[j_menz]

oh please, you want chords? I'll give you chords!

All very nice chords, I'm sure. But what one is bigger than a ninth?

[be4stelectrjc]

All very nice chords, I'm sure. But what one is bigger than a ninth?

There are only al lot of chords, not big as i wanted, but it's ok.

[theholygideons]

I'm surprised no one has caught me out yet... it's the finale of Sorabji's sonata no.1.

@ j_menz... i just realised they're all ninths.. =[ why bother counting? 

[coherence]

What's version of op 11 5 Scriabin do you have? I don't see a footnote here.

It's in The Complete Preludes & Etudes for Pianoforte Solo edited by K. N. Igumnov and Y. I. Mil'shteyn, published by Dover. I'll upload a picture of the line and footnote in question.

For your other question, my hand span is about 8.5 inches from the tip of my thumb to the tip of my pinky when I'm not stretching. I get another inch or a bit more from stretching my pinky and thumb so that they make a near-horizontal line. It's a nice trick but it doesn't really help me play.

[be4stelectrjc]

I'm surprised no one has caught me out yet... it's the finale of Sorabji's sonata no.1.

@ j_menz... i just realised they're all ninths.. =[ why bother counting?  

I didn't had time to check that score, this morning i have checked, too different from Albèniz Iberia Fête-dieu à Seville.

[be4stelectrjc]

It's in The Complete Preludes & Etudes for Pianoforte Solo edited by K. N. Igumnov and Y. I. Mil'shteyn, published by Dover. I'll upload a picture of the line and footnote in question.

For your other question, my hand span is about 8.5 inches from the tip of my thumb to the tip of my pinky when I'm not stretching. I get another inch or a bit more from stretching my pinky and thumb so that they make a near-horizontal line. It's a nice trick but it doesn't really help me play.

I don't find that version on imslp, upload a picture as you can.

[coherence]

It's just this one note in the last line: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gd12onelevt9w1b/2014-07-14%2020.56.06.jpg

[be4stelectrjc]

It's just this one note in the last line: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gd12onelevt9w1b/2014-07-14%2020.56.06.jpg

Thanks man.