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Offline mjames

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Elitism in music (rant)
« on: October 13, 2014, 02:48:51 AM »
Some dude on youtube just out-right called somebody (and me) a retard for typing out Rach instead of Rachmaninov. Wrote a paragraph (you guys do this too) about it: blah blah I studied rach my whole life  blah blah how dare you ruin his image by abbreviating his name blah blah respect him.

Seriously, just *** off.

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 03:08:56 AM »
So? A commenter on YT said something stupid/offensive?  :o

BTW, the real elitists call him Sergei Vasilievich.
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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 03:13:38 AM »
So? A commenter on YT said something stupid/offensive?  :o

True........

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 03:45:02 AM »
It's perfectly fine to shorten long names and use nicknames when talking about composers. Those peopole just don't belong to the inner circle so have to be formal. For me they are just Fred, Dommy, Scribby, Johnny, Eddy or just one of the Bs, and they are all quite ok with that.

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 03:49:30 AM »
Scribby

 :o

I've always called him Lexie.
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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 03:56:22 AM »
:o

I've always called him Lexie.

For some reason that sounds too feminine to me...

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #6 on: October 14, 2014, 03:00:53 AM »
Some dude on youtube just out-right called somebody (and me) a retard for typing out Rach instead of Rachmaninov. Wrote a paragraph (you guys do this too) about it: blah blah I studied rach my whole life  blah blah how dare you ruin his image by abbreviating his name blah blah respect him.

Seriously, just *** off.

Someone on the internet is wrong again. It's Rock... not Rach... geez how soft can you be. But I wont call you a retard.. that is just wrong

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #7 on: October 14, 2014, 04:36:56 PM »
Wat R U casul?

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #8 on: October 14, 2014, 04:48:49 PM »
Someone was rude to you on the internet!?  Nooooo....  :o  :o
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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #9 on: October 14, 2014, 04:51:28 PM »
the real elitists call him Sergei Vasilievich.
Surely the REAL élitists call him Серге́й Васи́льевич Рахма́нинов...

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #10 on: October 14, 2014, 07:44:02 PM »
Some dude on youtube just out-right called somebody (and me) a retard for typing out Rach instead of Rachmaninov. Wrote a paragraph (you guys do this too) about it: blah blah I studied rach my whole life  blah blah how dare you ruin his image by abbreviating his name blah blah respect him.

Seriously, just *** off.
no sensible person is going to fault you for typing out rach i do it, and find it more respectful than spelling his name wrong.  just call him a douche and forget about him...hes not worth getting upset over

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #11 on: October 15, 2014, 12:37:44 AM »
Just ignore that poster.  Who knows what their motivation actually was?  Who knows their background, education, etc.?  

It could be someone doing that on purpose, a troll.  It could be someone who was told that and thinks it's the law.  It could be someone with some personality disorder and you hit on something that doesn't fit with their world.  It's very unknown.

Actually from the first line... Someone called you a name on youtube.  It doesn't really matter what for.  

I don't think I've paid much attention to youtube comments.  It's usually just garbage.

If it was something with a background, I'd check that.  Then it would depend on their background really, along with the comment.  But if they start with an insult... They're probably not trying to help you.  Someone could have insulted them at some point.  Maybe they're just venting and you happened to be there.



*Bob wonders about this comment strategy....*

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #12 on: October 15, 2014, 05:45:24 AM »
Sergei, the Rock. MAN ENOUGH?!

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #13 on: October 15, 2014, 05:46:31 AM »
Sergei, the Rock. MAN ENOUGH?!

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #14 on: October 15, 2014, 05:47:12 AM »
Oh. Whoops. Sorry, didn't mean to post twice.

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #15 on: October 16, 2014, 12:56:28 PM »
How dare you even consider to romanise his name, use Russian characters only from now on please or forever be laughed at!
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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #16 on: October 16, 2014, 03:37:28 PM »
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No amount of how-to information is going to work if you have the wrong mindset, the wrong guiding philosophies. Avoid losers like the plague, and gather with and learn from winners only.

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #17 on: October 16, 2014, 04:45:55 PM »
This may seem like "elitism" in some parts of the world, but the use of the patronymic (in this example "Vasilievich"=son of Vasily) to distinguish one adult male Sergei from another is very natural in Slavic cultures and has nothing to do with elitism. It is generally used in formal relationships among adults (a woman's patronymic has a different ending) to express respect, and to avoid having to use the construction Mr., Mrs. or Miss + last name all the time whenever you address them or talk about them with others. So, before labeling someone as an "elitist", you may want to find out first what culture they are from. :)

It's not elitist when YOU do it, but it would be if an american does ;)

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #18 on: October 16, 2014, 04:55:50 PM »
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No amount of how-to information is going to work if you have the wrong mindset, the wrong guiding philosophies. Avoid losers like the plague, and gather with and learn from winners only.

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #19 on: October 16, 2014, 05:00:55 PM »
In the West, you mean? For most people from Slavic cultures, however, I think it would simply be interpreted as a compliment coming from an American. No associations at all with elitism. :)

Well, an average American doesn't tend to value other cultures very high, so it would most probably be an attempt to look smart :)

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #20 on: October 16, 2014, 05:08:39 PM »
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No amount of how-to information is going to work if you have the wrong mindset, the wrong guiding philosophies. Avoid losers like the plague, and gather with and learn from winners only.

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #21 on: October 16, 2014, 05:19:53 PM »
...which is really really bad because Smart people don't get hired. Is that it? You have to try hard to look like the reverse of elitist? ;D

Hmmm... I don't recall many instances when I haven't been hired when applying  ;D

But seriously, if you want to get the job, it's best not to look smarter than the one interviewing... Often you should be of course, but that's usually irrelevant...

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #22 on: October 29, 2014, 03:23:39 PM »
It's perfectly fine to shorten long names and use nicknames when talking about composers. Those peopole just don't belong to the inner circle so have to be formal. For me they are just Fred, Dommy, Scribby, Johnny, Eddy or just one of the Bs, and they are all quite ok with that.

Chopin, Scarlatti, Scriabin, Brahms/Bach, Grieg, Bach/Beethoven/Brahms/Bartok/Balakirev?
Chopin Op 18, Op 53, 62/2, 37/2, 10/12
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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #23 on: October 30, 2014, 03:39:08 AM »
Chopin, Scarlatti, Scriabin, Brahms/Bach, Grieg, Bach/Beethoven/Brahms/Bartok/Balakirev?

I would never call my dearest friend Millie just one of the B's  :o

The 3rd B is of course Hector...

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Re: Elitism in music (rant)
«Reply #24 on: October 30, 2014, 05:08:36 PM »
Wat R U casul?



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