The embeded YT video/audio was a truly horrendous rendition of the Schubert/Liszt. There were so many things wrong with it that it seemed like she never had any music instruction in her life.
The embedded video certainly does sound like an awful rendition of Schubert/Liszt considering it is Scriabin.
Regardless of the piece, the performance was awful.
One's estimation of you ability to judge would nevertheless be improved by your ability not to misidentify the piece.
Hilarious when random internetforum "experts" dissing world champion pianists
She's still a better player than you xD
I don't know how you could possibly come to that conclusion but I'm still the better musician.
Your talents are only exceeded by your modesty.
And I'm the king of Spain! You must ALL address me as 'Your Majesty', with absolutely NO exceptions. NOT even you, j_menz!
I used to be very modest to the point where I lost many opportunities to those with less skill and knowledge than I. Not wanting to repeat such outcomes, I've learned that to be successful doesn't require just skill and knowledge, but also that of communicating that knowledge and skill. Modesty is the behavior of those who never get opportunities. This, of course, is culture dependent. I'm sure in other cultures, being modest is an asset. But not in mine.
lol *** shut the *** up.Seriously.
See, the problem is that I think even you acknowledge the fact that the Scriabin was poorly played. Henceforth, all your remarks shall be about the person who noted the obvious because you can't possibly accept the fact that an idol of yours is subject to negative criticisms.
Nice try but she's not my idol; Chopin, Liadov, Scarlatti, and Sofrotnisky are. I'm only singling you out because you always talk sh*t. Post a video of your playing then I'll start seeing you in a different light, but I know you're just going to post another shitty paragraph of why you can't, or shouldn't have to because even you know you're full of sh*t.P.S. I didn't even click the link
Yet even the first 4 bars scream Scriabin so it's quite understandable that one would think the player sucks big time if it was considered to be Schubert
This is the reason why I won't post any recordings here because sharing has caused more isolation than I'd rather have.
I thought the first couple of bars sounded like Liszt. Definitely not Scriabin.
Are you serious? You didn't even bother to listen to it? So you're just trolling, then.Also, you make broad assertions about me that are simply lies.Lastly, if you heard and saw me play you'd be floored and become envious. You'd shut your mouth immediately. And if you knew me personally, you'd avoid me because the comparison of who's the best would be easy to make, and I would remind you of just how much you struggle. This is why I avoided playing for most of the pianists I knew because they did exactly that. Conversations about things became strained. I felt shut out and excluded where I wasn't before. This is the reason why I won't post any recordings here because sharing has caused more isolation than I'd rather have. In truth, I'd rather have people think i suck than to share what I am truly capable of. Because in one instance, I think a close friend of mine stopped playing the piano because she saw just how good I was. I don't think it was the music I played, but the apparent ease at which I played them.Furthermore, I'm not concerned about being a great pianist or competing with other pianists. That's a fruitless endeavor that all too many strive for. What I strive for is always to make music at the quality I believe is necessary to bring it to life. Playing the piano does not interest me. Making music does.
If Liszt wrote anything like that I might actually like him
You might like to dip into some late Liszt then - it could be enlightening.
I have and there are a few gems... But the oddity of Scriabin is on a totally different level and I like odd things
Perhaps you should search for what little Julian Scriabin left us then, and lament what might have been.
I really think you underestimate the people here... Most of them are capable of appreciating wonderful music making regardless of who it comes from... Are you sure it's not your personality and behavior that has caused the isolation rather than your playing?
For the removal of argument, it's Scriabin's Op 9 No 1 Prelude in C#m for the LH alone.Seems to me most "musicians" could tell it apart from any Liszt-Schubert by the end of the first bar.
Calling you out on your sh*t =/= trollingAlso and,"I claim to be better than most world class musicians but I'm not going to post a recording because blah blah blah.."It's the equivalent of a child going like: "I already know the answer but I'm not going tell you because I don't want to.".Seriously, how old are you? Try harder.
Assuming you don't have glaring insecurities (because I immediately pick up on them), if you ever met me, you'd most likely be fond of me.
However, most of the pianists I know are very insecure of their playing, as are many of the more viciously vocal members on this forum, some of whom replied to this thread. They immediately make comparisons of who's better as if that's all that is important. That's all that matters. In their minds, the more "difficult" the piece they can get through, the better a pianist they think they are, like they've accomplished something.
However, in your case, you believe that you are fundamentally limited and can't further along no matter what you do.
You have to understand that I would never do anything for you because you are rude, insulting, and disrespectful. I know that you struggle at the piano. You will struggle for the rest of your life and never improve. I'm perfectly fine with that. But if it really makes you feel better about yourself, you can continue to be rude and insulting towards me. The more insulting, the better. Because it hides the fact that you suck.
Assuming you don't have glaring insecurities (because I immediately pick up on them), if you ever met me, you'd most likely be fond of me. However, most of the pianists I know are very insecure of their playing, as are many of the more viciously vocal members on this forum, some of whom replied to this thread. They immediately make comparisons of who's better as if that's all that is important. That's all that matters. In their minds, the more "difficult" the piece they can get through, the better a pianist they think they are, like they've accomplished something. However, in your case, you believe that you are fundamentally limited and can't further along no matter what you do.
How come I have never even heard of him? Oddity might be inherited...at least it seems so looking at my family
But really, just from the first bar, it sounds a lot like something Liszt would have written.
I thought faulty_delusion was banned...
you also like to pretend as a psychologist.
My insecurities don't really affect whether I like or dislike others. That's because I don't usually project my own feelings to other people. But that's only me, socially "normal" people tend to do that. They also react to language that they see as arrogant, whether it is spoken or just body language. Most normal people also have insecurities that they don't hide that well, so it seems you are only liked by a small minority?
Really? I have a bit of a different picture...Of course in any field there are more or less competitive people and sometimes people can be blind to other people's merits, but at the same time one sees a lot of comradeship among musicians.
I believe everyone has their natural limits (not that people easily can reach them), but what on earth makes you think I feel I cannot further along? Why would I keep taking lessons and working daily if I thought so?
A person's insecurities show. It's whether or not people are sensitive enough to pick up on them.
If you've never been extremely good at something, you simply wouldn't understand. People treat you differently when you are exceptional.
I've known you for a long time. In that time, you've barely changed at all. When your playing and accomplishments change (for the better), your expression on this forum will change to reflect that. Piano lessons are a way for social support, not a way toward actual advancement. This is why many people who've taken lessons for years and don't significantly improve continue to take more lessons. The ones who do want to improve change teachers or change the situation.
You do it, too, but in a much more subtle way.
I pick them up all the time, but that doesn't mean I need to be nasty at the person because of that. I admit that people who are insecure and compensate by acting badly do sometimes trigger a little b... in me, but I do try not to act on my instincts.
I learned early on that it's ok to be great as long as you don't underline it too much. So while I do understand what you are talking about I think you are not handling it very well. This can be learned if you just want to.
Actually you don't know me. You only know my forum personality. Which, while not a fake, is just a tiny fracture of what I really am. I don't go to piano lessons for social support, I go there for technical advice and critical coaching. My teacher does not tell me how good I am, she just tells me what should be better and I am fine with that. I changed teacher's when I wasn't getting what I wanted. Now I do. I have never been a good one to teach, because I am better at researching things on my own. Which is why my lessons are sometimes a bit dysfunctional. But they have proven to be effective regardless.
When I find someone's arguments not solid enough I will say it. I cannot speak for other people, but I really doubt it's always about envy or maliciousness when they don't agree with you...
J_menz is, and has always been, an ass due to the way he makes perpetual insults, how is trolls threads and derails them, You [Ed: me] hide it probably because you know how conservative many members on this board are and don't want to face the backlash.
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