Wait on it.Also, for the sake of being pretentious, I'm going to politely ask you to call pieces "pieces" and not songs The third movement of the moonlight is FAR above Grade 3, or anywhere close to that.If you're determined to play the moonlight 3rd movement, play that first, master it, post a recording here so that we can help you Cheers!
Hi,both of the mentioned ones, the moonlight 3rd movement and the Waldstein 1st movement, are difficult.My personal opinion is: The Waldstein 1st movement is more "convenient" to the hands. But we must be very careful here. Both of the mentioned movements demand thorough and good CONCEPTS, for playing them.-Both of the movements might contain (but that's only my subjective view) elements of "dialogue", which should be brought out well.But the Waldstein 1st movement has additional features the moonlight 3rd movement cannot provide.For example, there's a very demanding (short) syncopated section in it, which is, then, near the end of the 1st movement, followed by demanding left-hand-actions, to bring out the relevant voice.But even before that section, there are wavelike structures, in which single upper- or "treble"-notes have to be emphasized... .I would - personally and subjectively - say: Make up a fitting concept in your brain, first, IF Waldstein 1st movement doesn't seem to be too difficult for you.I don't know how far you already have gone in studying the pieces, we're on an online-forum here, so I can only say the following:I would never discourage ANYONE to look at the Waldstein-Sonata. But beginners or people who might be not too experienced yet in Beethoven-"PATTERNS" and "features", should be aware that this sonata ( and the moonlight, too ) are very demanding, and "dangerous". The "Concepts" which one could make up for the Waldstein-Sonata may contain (subjectively):Waves of the ocean, beginning small, then getting bigger. Then accumulating. Sunrise. Beginning. Dialogue. (Dialogue is imho very important in movement 3 of the Waldstein, too: "Question" and "answer").Cordially, 8_octaves.
1. ) I have just seen another post regarding on wether waldstein 1st is harder than moonlight 3rd. Looks like waldstein is much, much, much harder.2. ) I'm still tempted to try it out in my spare time... But thats why i created this post (to see if it is too difficult for me, and if it is not too hard then i would like tips on practicing it)3. ) Are you suggesting that phrasing is a very important part of both movements? I have seen some pretty obvinous phrasing in moonlight 3rd, whereas i havnt looked at waldstein yet.Do you have any tips on phrasing when playing music in general? Fast pieces especially. Also any tips on practicing these two movements will be highly appreciated.
Rehi sumpianodude,I will refer on the 3 points numbered.1. ) That depends on personal and technical (=musical) views and approaches. And on who writes that.2. ) You will only THEN see whether it's too difficult for you or not, if you try playing it. And for playing it ( = here: the Waldstein ), I would kindly recommend you make up a CONCEPT first, in your brain. For example, by reading many times through the score WITHOUT the piano. And thus, play it, at first in your brain.3. ) To the phrasing question: Yes. Because, if you don't phrase in a sensible way, you won't be able to create, for example, dialogue-structures.To your question about phrasing in music in general: That's very important, because phrases are musical IDEAS. But WHICH ideas are to be emphasized, that's not always directly given by signs in the scores. Here, much feeling sometimes is necessary.To play both of the movements you asked for, very much knowledge of Beethoven's patterns and habits is necessary, that means: knowledge of MANY MANY of his other works, sonatas, variations, etc., and I'm not too sure one could get the Waldstein-sonata from zero to 100 without the mentioned experience. But :Only TRYING will teach you, whether it's available for you or not. Try it out, but FIRST: the CONCEPT!Cordially, and good night, 8_octaves!
I don't wanna be an *** or anything but people like you always come here asking these dumb questions. Just the other day we had a complete beginner tell us that he's going to waste two years working on some Chopin scherzo.if you're *** eager to play something well-known, how about you go for something that won't detriment your progress? Like the op. 37 nocturne by Chopin, or a few easy preludes, the op. 49 sonatas by Beethoven and so on. There are TONS of fun and ACCESSIBLE music for someone at your level. Why are you rushing to play something so difficult? Do you not care about the quality of music? is playing the notes just "ENOUGH" for you? Again there's no need to rush.
This is an exam piece for fellowship diploma in the UK. Quite right, it is technically and musically very challenging. For beginner, this is certainly not a good Beethoven sonata to start with.
Topic: Should I play beethoven sonata n°21"waldstein" 1st movement? Any tips on it? 