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Offline michael_sayers

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it's coming
« on: May 04, 2015, 03:12:51 PM »
It is going to happen.  So get ready for it.  Pull up a chair and grab a bowl of popcorn. 8)

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2417039.html

If it can't happen there, then it will happen here and in this thread.

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Re: it's coming
«Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 08:11:40 PM »
It is going to happen.  So get ready for it.  Pull up a chair and grab a bowl of popcorn. 8)

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2417039.html

If it can't happen there, then it will happen here and in this thread.
I'm confused. What all is happening? Are you promoting PS at piano world?
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Re: it's coming
«Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 08:25:22 PM »
Apparently something "astonishing" regarding: on a particular piano site - "how many years a particular matter of fact may have gone on, undetected by all members and observers."
I've got the pop corn.. Let's hear it!
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«Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 08:50:02 PM »
Apparently something "astonishing" regarding: on a particular piano site - "how many years a particular matter of fact may have gone on, undetected by all members and observers."
I've got the pop corn.. Let's hear it!

Hi themeandvariation,

It is indeed astonishing!

I'll give the P.W. moderators a chance to say if it may be posted at their website, and if not then I will post it here.

In addition to the bowl of popcorn: do make sure you already are seated when you read the information, as one may be liable, and due to existential shock and awe, to totter over uncontrollably.

Maybe I should include a disclaimer that I am not responsible for any spillage of drink and food?


Mvh,
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Re: it's coming
«Reply #4 on: May 04, 2015, 08:51:53 PM »
p.s. for themeandvariation - Please stop talking about my piano playing in David's thread.  Thanks in advance for your cooperation with this!

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«Reply #5 on: May 04, 2015, 09:01:11 PM »
I said Nothing about your piano playing…  It was You who talked of your piano playing on Rachfan's thread… *That* was my point!
As to this thread, I am certain that you won't disappoint! (either way…)
Curious.
Cheers!
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«Reply #6 on: May 04, 2015, 09:27:26 PM »
I said Nothing about your piano playing…  It was You who talked of your piano playing on Rachfan's thread… *That* was my point!
As to this thread, I am certain that you won't disappoint! (either way…)
Curious.
Cheers!

Hi themeandvariation,

It was stevensk who talked about my piano playing on David's thread, and who also complimented me on my post.  It would have been discourteous for me to ignore him.

And then you posted about my piano playing, for some reason.


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«Reply #7 on: May 04, 2015, 10:02:19 PM »
It is not determined by any stretch if Stevensk was referring to your playing..
Only he can clear this up.
bye for now.
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Re: it's coming
«Reply #8 on: May 05, 2015, 12:59:30 AM »
Wonders... like you've never seen?  Amusements beyond imagination!  Step right up!  The one... the only.... Wait, wait.  Have you considered how fascinating this is?  It's truly extraordinary!  I'll tell you what it is... in a moment.   And now a word from our sponsor....



Maybe it's that Nils is Swedish.  That might throw some people off a little I guess.
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«Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 01:07:37 AM »
I suspect a large scotch may be more appropriate than a bowl of popcorn.  ::)
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Re: it's coming
«Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 02:53:33 AM »
It will surely be something groundbreaking...I suspect he has realized that Liszt is speaking to us here though an alias.

I have been aware for some time now, that not all is as it looks like: There's at least one other dead composer posting here. I don't want to reveal who it is though, people might not feel comfortable posting their recordings anymore...

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«Reply #11 on: May 05, 2015, 06:25:39 AM »
Favorite new teacher quote -- "You found the only possible wrong answer."

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«Reply #12 on: May 05, 2015, 07:47:15 AM »
 8)

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«Reply #13 on: May 05, 2015, 10:54:04 AM »
@ Michael Sayers. 
I however have always enjoyed the sound of crickets…  something comforting about it…..
Your lack of response is deafening…. 
As i am sure you noticed, Stevensk has indeed replied, (for those who are unaware, MS thru trash on another thread, but since it was he who brought That subject here, in his admonishment to me, i figured to respond Here, instead of continuing this ridiculousness on Rachfan's thread) :      Here is Stevensk's reply:
"What? Now I am confused, my post was about Rachfan playing Bach WTC.  Is Rachfan and Michael Sayers the same user?"
Michael, when i suggested Stevensk's comment wasn't about your playing, you accused me of ruining the thread….  and went on and on about it…and carried it to this thread.
If this isn't enough  to consider the possibility of (a debilitating) egocentricity, then I don't know what…..  Best wishes….
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«Reply #14 on: May 05, 2015, 11:22:12 AM »
MS seems to be Swedish, living in Texas.

Nils is Swedish, with the PS server in Texas.  Or it used to be I thought. 

Nils also has a kid.  Perhaps MS is Nils kid?
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«Reply #15 on: May 05, 2015, 12:29:02 PM »
@ Michael Sayers.  
I however have always enjoyed the sound of crickets…  something comforting about it…..
Your lack of response is deafening….  
As i am sure you noticed, Stevensk has indeed replied, (for those who are unaware, MS thru trash on another thread, but since it was he who brought That subject here, in his admonishment to me, i figured to respond Here, instead of continuing this ridiculousness on Rachfan's thread) :      Here is Stevensk's reply:
"What? Now I am confused, my post was about Rachfan playing Bach WTC.  Is Rachfan and Michael Sayers the same user?"
Michael, when i suggested Stevensk's comment wasn't about your playing, you accused me of ruining the thread….  and went on and on about it…and carried it to this thread.
If this isn't enough  to consider the possibility of (a debilitating) egocentricity, then I don't know what…..  Best wishes….

Hi themeandvariation,

I accept the explanation from stevensk, although I don't recall ever having suggested that David had posted one of my recordings to the thread (or, contrariwise, that I am in fact David, and that all recordings attributed to me really were done by him, et c.).

Earlier, we did not have this clarification from stevensk, and given the context of the post which set all of this off - and that my piano playing is both rhythmically imbalanced and also can involve one hand before the other, and that both criticisms from stevensk don't really apply to David's playing in a way that justifies raking David over the coals for it - it seemed apparent that the post was about my piano playing.

Herewith I offer my apologies to all!


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Re: it's coming
«Reply #16 on: May 05, 2015, 12:35:40 PM »
MS seems to be Swedish, living in Texas.

Nils is Swedish, with the PS server in Texas.  Or it used to be I thought.  

Nils also has a kid.  Perhaps MS is Nils kid?

Hi Bob,

The truth will be quite shocking when it is revealed, and perhaps you are already know of it but are keeping silent?  I do, though, think it could be done without your knowledge . . .

No moderator is stepping forward at Piano World to give me either a green or a yellow light to proceed.  Maybe I should just post here about what has been detected, and link from there to here?

p.s. - Actually I am a Texan who lives in Sweden, with no relation (to my knowledge) between myself and Nils.


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Re: it's coming
«Reply #17 on: May 05, 2015, 02:03:50 PM »
@ Michael Sayers.  . . .

p.s. for themeandvariation - One reason that I thought it was inappropriate to criticise David for any asynchronicity of hands relates, and for which reason stevensk's post would have been about me rather than David, is a research study done many years ago of the recorded pianists born in the 19th century.  It is revealed there that one of the pianists in particular, when he first heard a recording of himself, was astonished to realize that he had been playing one hand before the other.  He had been doing this unconsciously, presumably throughout his career.

Criticizing David for this may very well be akin to criticizing a painter for how he holds a brush.

Of course, I know I often play one hand before the other, and have acknowledged this in the threads here: this technique of pianistic expression is, with me, on the conscious level.

So, on a side note when discussions crop up of the composers' intentions, maybe for instance Chopin played one hand before the other unconsciously, and therefore he didn't in fact intend it either way?  And maybe Brahms rolled the chords in his own music unconsciously?  At first the latter may seem to be a bit of stretch, yet if everyone really was doing these things back then, then perhaps it is possible.  One can consider research of various societies which did not have words for particular colours.  The eyes could see them technically, but the minds did not distinguish because it wasn't happening at a conscious level of processing - at least, this is the conclusion of that research.

One's mind is - or can be - highly selective in what it hears and sees,  it would seem.

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«Reply #18 on: May 05, 2015, 04:24:46 PM »
@M. Sayers:
As for your 'admission'… I nominate you for "the most 'qualified' apology award".

 I suspect you still have a good supply of shovels and more holes to dig…(and, I'll attempt  to stand not so close as the dirt tends to fly all over the place)

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«Reply #19 on: May 05, 2015, 05:30:16 PM »
Hi Bob,

The truth will be quite shocking when it is revealed, and perhaps you are already know of it but are keeping silent?  I do, though, think it could be done without your knowledge . . .



No idea.  The moderators aren't going to pop in and read threads unless someone draws their attention to an issue.  The statements are too vague -- They're not going to say, sure, do ahead on either site.

So just say it.

It's probably not going to be much, and it's going to end up annoying a bunch of users. "Hey guys, something really interesting here!...   Actually it's not.  Fooled you."

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«Reply #20 on: May 05, 2015, 06:47:06 PM »

No idea.  The moderators aren't going to pop in and read threads unless someone draws their attention to an issue.  The statements are too vague -- They're not going to say, sure, do ahead on either site.

So just say it.

It's probably not going to be much, and it's going to end up annoying a bunch of users. "Hey guys, something really interesting here!...   Actually it's not.  Fooled you."

Hi Bob,

The only thing I asked of the moderators was if it is okay one time to mention a rival piano related website at Piano World.  It is pretty much 'yes' or 'no' - either a member at Piano World is permitted to do that one time, or not, and depending on the unspoken rules of decorum at that website.  Anyone could ask that very general question.

As it is a simple request, and also with an answer quite generally applicable, I assume that a response is forthcoming.


Mvh,
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«Reply #21 on: May 05, 2015, 11:13:52 PM »
I was going to say maybe Piano World has scores and MS is seeing one places borrowing from the other.  But I'm thinking not....

Maybe someone is reposting recordings from one place to the other?  Maybe with a few tweaks? 


Or it will be something completely off... Like, "Did you know you can't do x and both sites do x."  And then x won't actually be true.  Or a broad idea like merging the two sites.
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«Reply #22 on: May 06, 2015, 10:43:48 AM »
Its pretty obvious to me what this astonishing revelation is going to be.

"They said a man would come"

Michael Sayers is the mythical "Fourth Stooge".
When he reveals himself, the prophecy can finally be fulfilled.

Common sense really

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«Reply #23 on: May 06, 2015, 11:19:51 AM »

Michael Sayers is the mythical "Fourth Stooge".


I thought Curly was the fourth stooge - Larry, Moe, Shemp, Curly, Shemp, fake Shemp I, fake Shemp II and then finally Curly Joe.
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«Reply #24 on: May 06, 2015, 01:36:07 PM »
It will surely be something groundbreaking...I suspect he has realized that Liszt is speaking to us here though an alias.

I have been aware for some time now, that not all is as it looks like: There's at least one other dead composer posting here. I don't want to reveal who it is though
Well, OK, but I want at least to reveal that it isn't me, partly because I'm not yet dead (or at least didn't think that I was last time I looked)...

But to return to the thread topic (insofar as I feel able to do so); what's "coming"? Has it ever come previously? (in which case it might be thought to be the second coming)...

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«Reply #25 on: May 06, 2015, 03:12:47 PM »
Well, OK, but I want at least to reveal that it isn't me, partly because I'm not yet dead (or at least didn't think that I was last time I looked)...

But to return to the thread topic (insofar as I feel able to do so); what's "coming"? Has it ever come previously? (in which case it might be thought to be the second coming)...

Best,

Alistair

Hi Alistair,

This revelation is no joke.  Far from it, the exhibits in evidence need some explaining.  Even if my hypothesis is wrong, there will need to be explaining for what is going on, there must be some rationale for it.

The hold up right now is that the moderators at Piano World will not say if it is or is not okay to mention a rival website at the Piano World website.  They seem elusive and ambiguous on this.  I will petition them again today about this in the post script of a new thread scheduled to be posted in the Pianists' Corner forum at Piano World and at 5:30 pm Swedish time.


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«Reply #26 on: May 06, 2015, 03:26:21 PM »
That event with the petition in the post script is less than four minutes from now.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sweden/stockholm

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«Reply #27 on: May 06, 2015, 03:31:49 PM »
If it can't happen there, then it will happen here and in this thread.

Let me get this straight:
You have made a thread in this forum about a thread in a different forum asking if you are allowed to reveal a secret about this forum in that forum?
So we have to read this deliberately obfuscatory nonsense while you wait.
Sounds reasonable.

I'm sure the moderators will reply soon. Why dont you hold your breath?

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«Reply #28 on: May 06, 2015, 03:34:14 PM »
"This revelations no joke"…
Suffering from 'cabin fever' as you say certainly is no joke -except on us..
Is this thread yet another one of your arrangements  of "Godot" ?
  Com'on Chicken Little… Tell us how the sky is falling.  
You are safe here ;)
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«Reply #29 on: May 06, 2015, 03:46:56 PM »
This revelation is no joke.
I wouldn't disagree with that!

Far from it, the exhibits in evidence need some explaining.  Even if my hypothesis is wrong, there will need to be explaining for what is going on, there must be some rationale for it.
But since there are no "exhibits" yet because they've not been "exhibited" and therefore no "evidence" as a consequence, there's no need for an explanation because there's none to give at this point and it is therefore of no consequence at this stage whether or not your hypothesis is right or wrong, not least because you've not even declared what it is or to what it relates; in view of this, why do you continue to refer to it? It is surely no wonder that stoat_king writes
Let me get this straight:
You have made a thread in this forum about a thread in a different forum asking if you are allowed to reveal a secret about this forum in that forum?
So we have to read this deliberately obfuscatory nonsense while you wait.
Sounds reasonable.

I'm sure the moderators will reply soon. Why dont you hold your breath?
Do you not see his/her point?

The hold up right now is that the moderators at Piano World will not say if it is or is not okay to mention a rival website at the Piano World website.  They seem elusive and ambiguous on this.  I will petition them again today about this in the post script of a new thread scheduled to be posted in the Pianists' Corner forum at Piano World and at 5:30 pm Swedish time.
But why would you even need to ask? There's no law against mentioning Pianostreet anywhere, including other fora and I've often seen one forum referred to in posts on another; any "elusiveness" and "ambiguity" seems therefore yours alone.

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Re: it's coming
«Reply #30 on: May 06, 2015, 04:53:07 PM »
Something is happening right now . . .

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«Reply #31 on: May 06, 2015, 04:59:31 PM »
This is sounding like something that really doesn't exist.  It does make the forum a little more interesting, and I did wander over to PW again, so that's a plus. 

I'm going to say... There won't be a big reveal on this.  The site owner's won't care, so they won't bother to chime in and give permission on the reveal.  So we all just sit and wait.

I'd also lean toward it being a hoax/troll situation.  We've had those before.  I haven't checked much, but there might not actually be a michael-sayers. 

And if someone's being irrational, there's no way to argue or reason with that.  It just is. 
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«Reply #32 on: May 06, 2015, 05:01:07 PM »
That event with the petition in the post script is less than four minutes from now.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sweden/stockholm

It's way past four minutes from now.  I'm calling BS.
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«Reply #33 on: May 06, 2015, 05:06:36 PM »
@Bob…yes, though i still think we are in the  lunga pausa portion of the piece…
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«Reply #34 on: May 06, 2015, 05:35:02 PM »
The thread with the post script was posted at 17:30 Stockholm time and in Pianists' Corner at Piano World.

There are exhibits of evidence, in the form of screen shots - however, in order to not violate copyright laws, these are being withheld for my own reference.  I'll give enough information that anyone can easily find the evidence which supports the hypothesis.

I am hoping that the post script gets a P.W. moderator response very soon.

I am sorry about my lack of ratiocination at the moment.  I am a bit busy, but I am keeping an eye on the threads in that forum over there.

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«Reply #36 on: May 06, 2015, 05:39:42 PM »
I see that rather than answering my question about website protocols, they locked the original "a www enigma solved?" thread.  They must think this is a joke or something.

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«Reply #37 on: May 06, 2015, 07:28:16 PM »
I think many of us will treat it as a joke until you reveal your findings.

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«Reply #38 on: May 06, 2015, 08:30:19 PM »
I think many of us will treat it as a joke until you reveal your findings.
Either that or they will be inclined to treat it as nothing at all until then.

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«Reply #39 on: May 06, 2015, 08:44:05 PM »
I see that rather than answering my question about website protocols, they locked the original "a www enigma solved?" thread.  They must think this is a joke or something.
No.  It'll be locked because you can't start a thread about nothing.
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«Reply #40 on: May 06, 2015, 08:59:07 PM »
No.  It'll be locked because you can't start a thread about nothing.

I actually don't want to violate P.W. protocols.  Piano World is not like Piano Street.  At P.W. members get banned and threads get locked.  Persons have been banned when I did not understand why (and members have gone on not banned when there has been, in my opinion, every reason in the world to do it).  The unpredictable environment there, with all the banning and thread locking, makes me cautious.  Maybe too cautious.

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«Reply #41 on: May 06, 2015, 09:04:25 PM »
I actually don't want to violate P.W. protocols. 
Well you have, by starting a thread about nothing.
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«Reply #42 on: May 06, 2015, 09:29:17 PM »
Well you have, by starting a thread about nothing.

It said that in order for me to proceed I needed to know if it is okay to mention at Piano World a piano related website other than Piano World.  That was in the very first post.  A moderator eventually posted an observation that the thread is okay for now but odd, which didn't answer the question.  I don't understand that type of evasiveness about disclosing a website's policies.

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«Reply #43 on: May 06, 2015, 09:34:33 PM »
In which case you send them a message.  You don't litter a forum with crap.
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«Reply #44 on: May 06, 2015, 09:47:58 PM »
In which case you send them a message.  You don't litter a forum with crap.

Members ask questions all the time there about the forum, and in forum posts.  It is totally normal to do that.

You don't litter a forum with crap.

If you don't like my Piano World threads, but I like them [and I do!], then a moderator over there will be needed to sort this out for us.

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«Reply #45 on: May 06, 2015, 10:00:38 PM »
If you don't like my Piano World threads, but I like them [and I do!], then a moderator over there will be needed to sort this out for us.
Don't include me in your craziness!
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«Reply #46 on: May 06, 2015, 10:19:56 PM »
Don't include me in your craziness!

You included yourself, and if you think it is crazy, then get out while you still can! ;D

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Re: it's coming
«Reply #47 on: May 06, 2015, 10:37:21 PM »
Something with comparing the two sites... Copyright gets mentioned.  Maybe he means copyright on this forum stuff, but I'm thinking on printed music.  He had another post about protecting his own creations with copyright law. 

It's probably something with each site having the same piece, maybe even the exact same piece, same edition.  But if the edition is out of copyright, it's legit for anyone to do that.

Or maybe... one site borrowed some printed notation from the other?  And it's digitally watermarked?  In that case, there might be something.  I don't know how much it's considered interpretation if someone takes the original manuscript and turns it into print notation.  There's an argument for that.  Editorial markings, choice of layout in printing, etc.  That would be intellectual property.  That I could see someone getting upset over.
Favorite new teacher quote -- "You found the only possible wrong answer."

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Re: it's coming
«Reply #48 on: May 06, 2015, 10:56:42 PM »
Something with comparing the two sites... Copyright gets mentioned.  Maybe he means copyright on this forum stuff, but I'm thinking on printed music.  He had another post about protecting his own creations with copyright law. 

It's probably something with each site having the same piece, maybe even the exact same piece, same edition.  But if the edition is out of copyright, it's legit for anyone to do that.

Or maybe... one site borrowed some printed notation from the other?  And it's digitally watermarked?  In that case, there might be something.  I don't know how much it's considered interpretation if someone takes the original manuscript and turns it into print notation.  There's an argument for that.  Editorial markings, choice of layout in printing, etc.  That would be intellectual property.  That I could see someone getting upset over.

Hi Bob,

I have a solution: what I will do is a long post at Piano World . . . it could be about anything . . . Chopin's piano students . . . and then it will say on down in it, "by the way, I've been thinking in this connection about a music resource on the internet . . . where I found some interesting information" ;D , et c., and making all points clear talking about the interesting information.

Then I post the link here.

I think this will work just fine. :)

I don't really care if P.W. people read all the way down through the Chopin student stuff to find it, it will be much more of interest here, I suspect. ;)

And, by the way, it is nothing involving any law breaking or anything potentially harmful or damaging.  I wouldn't post something like that because then I could get in trouble.  It is about something of acute fascination, and very surprising - unique on the www, perhaps - harmless, but astonishing . . . it was shocking when I finally realized that it really may be happening, and it still has a fair bit of that effect, I must say.


Mvh,
Michael

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Re: it's coming
«Reply #49 on: May 06, 2015, 11:43:48 PM »


Favorite new teacher quote -- "You found the only possible wrong answer."