Your opinion of the Pick-Up Artist (PUA) community?

[cuberdrift]

There exists in this world a group of men who seek to pursue the art of 'picking-up'/'seducing' women - masters of which go by the names of Ross Jeffries, Carlos Xuma, Richard LaRuina, etc.

Have you ever heard of it? I've actually been interested in this thing for some time, explored their videos, read their articles. I believe it IS useful in attracting women, but whether or not it's actually important, or 'moral', is a different matter.

What's your take on this psychology towards women? Is it bad? Is it good? What?

[outin]

What's your take on this psychology towards women? Is it bad? Is it good? What?

Whatever works...The end justifies the means
Women aren't exactly fair in their courting rituals either...

[theholygideons]

There exists in this world a group of men who seek to pursue the art of 'picking-up'/'seducing' women - masters of which go by the names of Ross Jeffries, Carlos Xuma, Richard LaRuina, etc.

Have you ever heard of it? I've actually been interested in this thing for some time, explored their videos, read their articles. I believe it IS useful in attracting women, but whether or not it's actually important, or 'moral', is a different matter.

What's your take on this psychology towards women? Is it bad? Is it good? What?

The way pickup has been portrayed by the media in recent times has resulted in a massive disservice due to the wealth of knowledge relating to social dynamics and self development contained within this single field, which can have applications outside of just wooing women.   

Pickup has had a tremendous history over the years and has undergone massive reconstructions in its philosophies as of recent. A key name from the early days of pickup would be 'Mystery', whose teachings centred around canned material to elicit a response from women, a sort of love hate relationship that would eventually get them attracted. However, in recent years, contemporary pick up artists, such as Tyler Durden, have argued against the classical approach, focusing on 'natural game' and being pure to one's intentions. I would still say that the old ways still have their merits as they serve as the foundations upon which modern day pickup has manifested.

If you were to learn picking up women i would restrain from studying the theoretically intense content early on as they may make you worse with women, as you no longer enjoy something for what it is, but instead become paralysed by overthinking interactions. Thus, I would suggest that you study inner game and undergo a paradigm shift in the way you see people, before memorizing the roadmaps, gambits and systematic deduction that will help you attract a woman.

[dogperson]

Why not just be yourself and find out who the female is as well ? ( and I don't mean what is their job)  Women will find you attractive, and you will find out if this a relationship you want to pursue at the same time.  You don't need a method.. you need to be yourself.

[theholygideons]

Why not just be yourself and find out who the female is as well ? ( and I don't mean what is their job)  Women will find you attractive, and you will find out if this a relationship you want to pursue at the same time.  You don't need a method.. you need to be yourself.

Of course, that's the ultimate goal. But what happens when you practise pickup, is that you conditioning yourself towards criticism and rejection, that way you don't think twice whenever you think about talking to a hot girl.

[cuberdrift]

Women aren't exactly fair in their courting rituals either...

What do you mean?

The way pickup has been portrayed by the media in recent times has resulted in a massive disservice due to the wealth of knowledge relating to social dynamics and self development contained within this single field, which can have applications outside of just wooing women.

You're saying that people should admit that the techniques claimed to be effective at wooing women can be applied to lots of other things?

Pickup has had a tremendous history over the years and has undergone massive reconstructions in its philosophies as of recent. A key name from the early days of pickup would be 'Mystery', whose teachings centred around canned material to elicit a response from women, a sort of love hate relationship that would eventually get them attracted. However, in recent years, contemporary pick up artists, such as Tyler Durden, have argued against the classical approach, focusing on 'natural game' and being pure to one's intentions. I would still say that the old ways still have their merits as they serve as the foundations upon which modern day pickup has manifested.

What is this 'classical' approach?

If you were to learn picking up women i would restrain from studying the theoretically intense content early on as they may make you worse with women, as you no longer enjoy something for what it is, but instead become paralysed by overthinking interactions. Thus, I would suggest that you study inner game and undergo a paradigm shift in the way you see people, before memorizing the roadmaps, gambits and systematic deduction that will help you attract a woman.

I'd agree with you, although it helps a bit to get some tips before you get going. I myself am actually very keen on these things, but find little opportunity to apply them.

Why not just be yourself and find out who the female is as well ? ( and I don't mean what is their job)  Women will find you attractive, and you will find out if this a relationship you want to pursue at the same time.  You don't need a method.. you need to be yourself.

I have always wondered about this 'just be yourself' approach. What if I am a shy guy who only talks to other pianists? That is 'myself'. How can I meet and establish connections with attractive women if they aren't pianists, too, then?

Actually, personally I have found a nice trick to somehow keep my confidence level a little higher; it is to imagine myself as someone else, someone of great renown, someone who is cool, or whatever, and to act based on that persona.

I understand this sounds 'fake', but I've tried it a bit and I guess it should work. I think it is because shyness is an ego issue...i.e. I think I'm unattractive, or lonely, or a nerd, people aren't interested in me etc. So perhaps one medicine for this is to look at myself in a different way.

Let me give an example. Imagine you are a king, that you own everything on the spot, that all the people around you are your subjects, that everybody thinks you're awesome, rich, and alpha and all that. Don't just IMITATE the gestures of a king. Actually FEEL that you're a king...it has to do with focusing your thoughts on the heart area of your body (believe me, at least for me, it works this way), and actually FEEL your new persona. Now feel your perspective towards everything in your surroundings change. Those beautiful trees out there? They are the natural beauty of your kingdom. Those massive buildings towering above you? Your workers built them for you. Those hot girls passing by? Be proud your nation has such attractive people around.

Well then, it may not IMMEDIATELY change my interactions with people, but I feel I get that subtle boost of confidence in me. However, I might not advise taking the 'King' persona - people might find you strange, acting like an authority figure when you aren't. Maybe you should take on a slightly different one - like the interesting guy who everyone likes, etc. The point is you need to change the way you see things.

The main benefit from this, as I see it so far, is that it gives me that boost in confidence. I haven't tried it much on interactions on people, but somehow the few times I've tried it DID work a bit, and I was able to carry on longer but more interesting conversations.

This would probably work on women as well, though I have yet to try...

[compline]

Women instinctively know if a guy is trying to impress by using false blandishments.
Don't forget, it is first impressions that count, you don't get a second chance to make good first impression, so it's best to be natural........ but I don't mean naked.  

[outin]

What do you mean?

Exactly what I wrote. They play their own games as well. It's rare that people are open and sincere about their intentions when trying to mate.

I on the other hand prefer the old fashioned way: Hit him in the head and drag him into my cave  

[theholygideons]

You're saying that people should admit that the techniques claimed to be effective at wooing women can be applied to lots of other things?

What is this 'classical' approach?

I'd agree with you, although it helps a bit to get some tips before you get going. I myself am actually very keen on these things, but find little opportunity to apply them.

of course, they can be used in networking, public speaking, becoming a leader, etc.

Classical approach.. just google 'mystery method pdf'. It's poison, don't look at it if you're just beginning.

The keys towards learning pickup is that every day you need to go out and talk to strangers and gradually build up the confidence to talk to girls you find attracted to. It's sort of like practising piano.

[cuberdrift]

Women instinctively know if a guy is trying to impress by using false blandishments.
Don't forget, it is first impressions that count, you don't get a second chance to make good first impression, so it's best to be natural........ but I don't mean naked.  

Again a reference to the 'just-be-yourself' approach. Here's my issue with this; if I were to be 'myself' towards hot women, how the heck would that actually attract them? If it IS the most attractive way, then that means every woman would actually be attracted to me, since I am like that all the time in the first place.

The point is how does one expect that not putting any extra effort would actually make hot women notice you? Surely there has to be some way of charming the girl, hence the 'blandishments' you speak of. If there are indeed no 'blandishments', then it seems that you would just rely on chance for the girl to actually notice and start liking you ('oh, I'll just be myself, I hope she likes me for what I am all the time, I just hope that happens').

I am not trying to debunk you here, but I am questioning your beliefs. Don't take me as holier-than-thou because I assure you, if you have any experience at all with courtship, I probably have ten times less.

Exactly what I wrote. They play their own games as well. It's rare that people are open and sincere about their intentions when trying to mate.

I on the other hand prefer the old fashioned way: Hit him in the head and drag him into my cave  

That's the thing. You know, if there's ever a chance I get to rule the world, maybe I'll propose a new way of courtship, one without all the hocus-pocus flirtation business. Maybe all the guys should just show the girl they want a piece of paper bearing two check boxes, Yes or No, on the question "Can we be together?" or some crap like that.

The 'Hit-him-in-the-head" thing is illegal, isn't it? Isn't that called rape or something?  

Classical approach.. just google 'mystery method pdf'. It's poison, don't look at it if you're just beginning.

The keys towards learning pickup is that every day you need to go out and talk to strangers and gradually build up the confidence to talk to girls you find attracted to. It's sort of like practising piano.

Have you actually really tried that? What happened?

[outin]

The 'Hit-him-in-the-head" thing is illegal, isn't it? Isn't that called rape or something?  

When in my cave they all tend to volunteer to do their thing 

[swagmaster420x]

When in my cave they all tend to volunteer to do their thing 

Maybe that's what they let you think   

[outin]

Maybe that's what they let you think   

Well, at least I don't eat them afterwards as some of my 8 legged friends would...

[swagmaster420x]

Well, at least I don't eat them afterwards as some of my 8 legged friends would...

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