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felipe717
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Doubt about the score of Pathetique Sonata
on: July 24, 2015, 06:55:43 AM
Hey guys! It's just a little question about the score of Beethoven's Op. 13.
I was analyzing the first edition and I found an occurrence which made me kinda curious. In the 4th bar of the 1st movement, there's two E marked natural, on the 2nd beat. What caught my attention was that there are two other E, with no accidental mark, afterwards, on the 4th beat, which are played flat (by, like, everyone?), even though they should be played natural because of the natural sign on the two E's before it... shouldn't they?
In my Henle urtext edition, only the first of those two "problematic" E's is marked flatted, although. If a certain key is played natural, sharp or flat in a bar and, in the same bar, it does appear again, shouldn't it be played like the previous one?
I know it's a naive and silly question, I'm just asking for a matter of curiosity rather than anything else. Of course everyone plays those second E's as E flat, so do I, and surely that's how it's supposed to be played, but... well, you've got it.
It's just for curiosity.
Sorry for my English, and thanks in advance!
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chopinlover01
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Re: Doubt about the score of Pathetique Sonata
Reply #1 on: July 25, 2015, 07:15:13 AM
For performance, the e naturals make no sense in that run.
Thinking about it harmonically, it starts the measure with a C diminished- G major- C7- F minor (V-I cadence), and then the run is a B flat 7 resolving to E flat major.
Basic theory, and it solves the question. Don't worry about it.
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dcstudio
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Re: Doubt about the score of Pathetique Sonata
Reply #2 on: July 25, 2015, 07:21:58 PM
check out this score-- your edition has a misprint
notice that the E natural in this edition is voiced in the bass clef.. which is why it is not flatted in the bottom section of the run in the right hand.
the F also should be natural--it is not in your edition.
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felipe717
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Re: Doubt about the score of Pathetique Sonata
Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 01:29:50 AM
Oh, I see. I had just found it a little curious, but nothing much.
Well, thank you guys! Doubt remedied.
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