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Sigismond Thalberg’s 200th Anniversary

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« on: September 16, 2015, 12:30:50 PM »

No not music inspired by Asian culture like Lyapunov's oriental fantasy...music written by Asians. Let's narrow it down to Chinese, South Korean, and Japanese since they are largely modernized/westernized meaning that they have a strong connection to classical music culture. I just want some stuff to listen to or possible play (if its not too hard hehe)...but none of that weird postmodern avante garde styled music. Something similar to this:



no weird stuff like takemitsu or as Thal calls it.."plinky" music.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 01:52:38 PM »

Nice tune..
As far as the cheering of a blind spot for the past hundred years in composition…. does in fact reveal a fixation, which perhaps is not altogether a healthy thing.. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 07:16:34 PM »

C'mon, no one here has any Chinese/Japanese classical music to share?
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2015, 08:06:55 PM »

A  lot of famous Chinese piano music is communist, which is why I avoid them. But I would suggest "Silver Clouds Chasing the Moon" by Ren Guang-Wang Jianzhong
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2015, 08:17:27 PM »

No not music inspired by Asian culture like Lyapunov's oriental fantasy...music written by Asians. Let's narrow it down to Chinese, South Korean, and Japanese since they are largely modernized/westernized meaning that they have a strong connection to classical music culture. I just want some stuff to listen to or possible play (if its not too hard hehe)...but none of that weird postmodern avante garde styled music. Something similar to this:



no weird stuff like takemitsu or as Thal calls it.."plinky" music.

There's a very nice piece from the 1930s by He Luting called Buffalo's Boy Flute. It was recognized by Alexandre Tcherepnin.

Also, even though he IS western
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2015, 08:31:39 PM »

C'mon, no one here has any Chinese/Japanese classical music to share?
I did post two Takemitsu pieces back in 2012 when I first joined this forum. Maybe not eastern enough for you.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2015, 08:38:41 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2015, 08:45:31 PM »

since i'm particulary fond of the genre and have decent size collection.
here's some more
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2015, 08:51:27 PM »

we count phillipines as far east right?
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2015, 08:53:57 PM »

give it a second to get tot he piece. pretty freagin great
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2015, 09:09:05 PM »

give it a second to get tot he piece. pretty freagin great


Actually, that folksong is from Central Asia. Just saying.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2015, 10:26:12 PM »

I did post two Takemitsu pieces back in 2012 when I first joined this forum. Maybe not eastern enough for you.

it's not a matter of being "eastern enough"..it's just that I don't like Takemitsu's type of music. Im looking for the neo-romantic/impressionist kind of stuff.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2015, 11:15:50 PM »

it's not a matter of being "eastern enough"..it's just that I don't like Takemitsu's type of music. Im looking for the neo-romantic/impressionist kind of stuff.

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2015, 02:02:23 AM »

Yundi recorded a whole fricking ALBUM of Chinese pieces. Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2015, 06:38:02 PM »

if i start going down my fav FF series list, we begin to find quite a bit of modern impressionstic and romantic influenced pieces.

mostly though, these are light fun.

here's a particularly lovely little gem. actually pretty freagin hard to pull off right (character wise)


this one has lots of impressionistic debussy-ish qualities


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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2015, 08:37:26 PM »

Yundi recorded a whole fricking ALBUM of Chinese pieces. Tongue


Meh
 I'm a huge fan of sightreading Chinese piano music; I'm not such a huge fan of listening to it.
err.. Autumn Moon on some Lake)
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2015, 02:23:55 AM »

Ilove Tcherepnin's Etude in E Major "Punch and Judy" from Op. 52. Even though Tcherepnin is western, this is VERY AUTHENTIC Chinese. (As in singing Chinese, not in instrumental Chinese).

Unfortunately, as of November 2014, there was not a decent recording of it on YT
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2015, 10:09:37 PM »

Ilove Tcherepnin's Etude in E Major "Punch and Judy" from Op. 52. Even though Tcherepnin is western, this is VERY AUTHENTIC Chinese. (As in singing Chinese, not in instrumental Chinese).

Unfortunately, as of November 2014, there was not a decent recording of it on YT
Yeah he went to China lots of times and was connected w some pianist there...
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2015, 10:13:00 PM »

Yeah he went to China lots of times and was connected w some pianist there...

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2015, 05:40:39 AM »

"Ur TERRIBLE! U DECEIVED ME!"
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what is this?
some Chinese drama that I don't know?

are you Chinese?? whoaa... the more you know about ppl over the Internet Tongue It's a small world
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2015, 08:34:44 PM »


what is this?
some Chinese drama that I don't know?

are you Chinese?? whoaa... the more you know about ppl over the Internet Tongue It's a small world

OMG it is the RANT of my classmates! It has a BEAUTFUL erhu  and guzheng soundtrack (MUCH MICH BETTER THAN the soundtrack for Wu Mei Niang, also known as Empress of China Cool ). Also, the lead actress is So PRETTY! And the dresses/robes/hanfu/kimonos, OMG I WANT!!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2015, 05:23:25 PM »

OMG it is the RANT of my classmates! It has a BEAUTFUL erhu  and guzheng soundtrack (MUCH MICH BETTER THAN the soundtrack for Wu Mei Niang, also known as Empress of China Cool ). Also, the lead actress is So PRETTY! And the dresses/robes/hanfu/kimonos, OMG I WANT!!!!!!

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2015, 06:41:46 PM »

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wait what? I wish you wouldn't delete those posts.
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2015, 09:19:07 PM »

wait what? I wish you wouldn't delete those posts.
I wrote something and then deleted it; I was like "naaaaah."
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2015, 01:37:34 AM »

I wrote something and then deleted it; I was like "naaaaah."

Was it a question??

Oh, was it about my gender, or about if u know me or not?
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2015, 01:43:19 AM »

Was it a question??

Oh, was it about my gender, or about if u know me or not?
no I wrote "I thought middle schoolers liked Korean Dramas more"

then I thought "no these are pointless posts, maybe I should try to follow what Josh says"
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2015, 02:25:27 AM »

no I wrote "I thought middle schoolers liked Korean Dramas more"

then I thought "no these are pointless posts, maybe I should try to follow what Josh says"
Korean Dramas suck, their lead males aren't even cute Roll Eyes But hey-neither are they in the Chinese Dramas Grin But still, Chinese Dramas have some smart plots Grin They are very intriguing, while Korean historical dramas are basically like, "Oh well, Korea is so cool and it was the best 2000+ years ago, and we had these wmen rulers and we had King Sejong  etc blah blah blah)

In those countries I guess people become famous on how well they act, not on how attractive they are Roll Eyes

In Thailand, though, actors/actresses get famous by how pretty/handsome they are, even though theyre terrible at acting
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2015, 04:02:08 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2015, 04:02:49 AM »

for the last two though, there is probably no chance of finding sheet music for the pieces... getting into North Korea is surprisingly easy though for a foreigner...!
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2015, 08:13:08 PM »

I didn't listen to the Cantata, but for the Blizzard Concerto thing, at first I was like, "Oh that's ugly", but once the Rach 2 type section started I was like- "Whoa dude- that melody is catchy! NK's know how to compose! Grin Grin Grin"

I'm still a little pissed off though, because there's this North Korean boy in my school (who pretends he's South Korean) who bullied me and another Chinese American girl. and lied that he didn't. what. If you want me to PM his name I will.
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2015, 08:18:17 PM »

LOL ok... I wouldn't know cause I have not watched any drama... only sitcoms, reality/game shows, etc. from China

ANYWAY "Autumn Moon Over the Calm Lake" (the piece you mentioned before) is a great one, very Debussyan (or maybe Debussy was influenced by music from Asia??). It's an "ancient" piece originally for guzheng (Chinese zither), so it has no Communist connotations (unlike, say, the "Yellow River Concerto" Tongue)

Oooh your interested in ancient Chinese music, right??? Beccause that's typical of old Chinese music fans- you claim new pieces are old just becsause their is like 1 website tht claims so Grin  Don't worry, I did that too last year, but now I'm more into Norweigian and Russian music Grin

I think the piano version isn't very snazzy though, but the erhu version is plain ugly, soo.........

I like to compose melodies that I imagine to be Dizi Concertantes written in the Han dynasty for beautiful serf girls to dance to Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2015, 08:28:54 PM »

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Ewwww those modern shows are crap, dude, no wonder you have the taste for Schumann

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Speaking of Communist/political though, in North Korea there is a very Rachmaninov-an (or Warsaw Concerto-an?) work dedicated to Kim Jong-Il, which is weirdly fascinating (like a lot of things about the DPRK...)

and similarly this one, that's not about one of their "leaders" but is still about one of their geographical landmarks:


Haha that was the first "Korean" piece anyone gave for this topic, it probably wasn't what mjames expected, though. Grin But I've yet to hear a nice SK piano piece that isn't by Yiruma Roll Eyes
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2015, 11:16:49 PM »

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Haha that was the first "Korean" piece anyone gave for this topic, it probably wasn't what mjames expected, though. Grin But I've yet to hear a nice SK piano piece that isn't by Yiruma Roll Eyes

Hey I didn't say I LIKED watching them... those are just the only shows I have had exposure to... I don't have the time rn to watch 80-episode 苦情剧...

and stop dissing Schumann... I'm too tired to even explain lol but I don't understand all the hate...

I agree on the thing about Korea though... Yiruma is not even a serious composer. Only about as much as Richard Clayderman. He had a firm classical training (from the Purcell School, where Alim Beisembayev goes Grin) but I think he decided to prostitute himself...
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2015, 11:18:03 PM »

Oooh your interested in ancient Chinese music, right??? Beccause that's typical of old Chinese music fans- you claim new pieces are old just becsause their is like 1 website tht claims so Grin  Don't worry, I did that too last year, but now I'm more into Norweigian and Russian music Grin

I think the piano version isn't very snazzy though, but the erhu version is plain ugly, soo.........

I like to compose melodies that I imagine to be Dizi Concertantes written in the Han dynasty for beautiful serf girls to dance to Smiley
"old Chinese music fans"

fans of old Chinese music, or old fans of Chinese music?
my source for that was my dad btw Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2015, 11:27:39 PM »

"old Chinese music fans"

fans of old Chinese music, or old fans of Chinese music?
my source for that was my dad btw Tongue

Why would there be any old fans of Chinese music? The only fans of C-Music are C-people who live in C- who are under the age of... 25.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2015, 11:30:10 PM »

Hey I didn't say I LIKED watching them... those are just the only shows I have had exposure to... I don't have the time rn to watch 80-episode 苦情剧...

and stop dissing Schumann... I'm too tired to even explain lol but I don't understand all the hate...

I agree on the thing about Korea though... Yiruma is not even a serious composer. Only about as much as Richard Clayderman. He had a firm classical training (from the Purcell School, where Alim Beisembayev goes Grin) but I think he decided to prostitute himself...

I cant read Chineze so I don't know what show that is hehe

The only shows I watch are the VQofH and part of the Journey of Flower and I listened to the soundtrack of the Empress of CHina because I woke up to my dad watching it (weird, I know, but hey- at least he's straight).

Journey of Flower has like 50 Eps I think, but I'm not sure
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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2015, 11:34:36 PM »

Hey I didn't say I LIKED watching them... those are just the only shows I have had exposure to... I don't have the time rn to watch 80-episode 苦情剧...

and stop dissing Schumann... I'm too tired to even explain lol but I don't understand all the hate...

I agree on the thing about Korea though... Yiruma is not even a serious composer. Only about as much as Richard Clayderman. He had a firm classical training (from the Purcell School, where Alim Beisembayev goes Grin) but I think he decided to prostitute himself...

I like Yiruma's River Flows in Me because it means someone loves me

hehe

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I like the pieces Richard Clayderman plays, but I think even Hamelin is better as a pianist. But if I weren't classically trained, and I were to choose, Id like Richard Claydermann. He plays mostly beautiful music.
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2015, 03:02:39 AM »

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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2015, 03:03:25 AM »

I like Yiruma's River Flows in Me because it means someone loves me

hehe

lelele

I like the pieces Richard Clayderman plays, but I think even Hamelin is better as a pianist. But if I weren't classically trained, and I were to choose, Id like Richard Claydermann. He plays mostly beautiful music.
"even Hamelin??"

you can't deny that Hamelin is a at least a competent pianist and amazing at technique... plzzzzzzz
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« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2015, 03:47:50 AM »

Hamelin is a beast. Piano is all technique, and I'm not kidding. You can't do anything without technique.
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« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2015, 04:55:51 AM »

I like Yiruma's River Flows in Me because it means someone loves me

hehe

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« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2015, 08:35:12 PM »

that's a genre of shows, literally "bitter emotion shows..."

ikr, but it is actually "historical shows". Journey of Flower is not historical, but I like looking at the architecture and the dresses and the hairgarments. Grin Wei Luo would've totally went into the finals if she wore something like this:


But yeah, their really bitter
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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2015, 02:46:05 AM »

Ur a nuerd, do u do math competitions
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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2016, 03:07:12 AM »


This is a Chinese piece based on Chinese music, but unfortunately the music is more Central Asian than Far Eastern (I'm guessing it's based on music from the Northwest?)

This is a very famous folksong, probably the one Westerners are most familiar with.

I'd heard of this piece for a long time, but I did not listen to it until now; the reason? The Peking Opera I'm familiar with is VERY disconcerting music; but this piece is SO MUCH BETTER!

Here is a Chinese piece based on melodies from Sinkiang, a Chinese region in Central Asia. The transcriber isn't very well known, though, so if ur planning on doing this for a performance, I'd recommend not to.

Chiense piano music based on folksongs from one of China's Southeast-Asian provinces.

Chinese piano piece by Wang Lisan based on traditional Japanese scales (?)

Chinese piano piece by He Luting, from the 1930s. Performed by Yuja Wang 9 years prior to her alleged grand entrance into harlotry.

Japanese piano piece in western style by Rentaro Taki from the early 20th century.

Nice Chinese piece.
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« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2016, 04:10:31 PM »

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Amaral Vieira (born 1952)
• Japanese Watercolors opus 325

(based on the Japanese melodies Furusato, Yashi no Mi, Sakura and Kojo no Tsuki

*dat one around 4:25+, sakura, wow, such a dramatic color change, what a brilliant transription!
http://musica-ferrum.com/composers/Vieira-Amaral.php
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