The World's Best Pianist - Improvisation No. 1 [relaxing piano]

[emill]

I agree. Some music conservatists/puritans/classical-music-supremaciststs  think that no music should be heard on this world except for classical music. These people are usually people who've been studying classical music, exclusively, for a long time. They refuse to look at new ideas, proning them to failure. (Look at Chinese history; Western ideas were basically censored by the Manchu invaders, and therefore China became one of the least technologically advanced Far-Eastern countries by the 1900s. Also, the communists decided they would censor Western ideas, as well, and then all of the brightest Chinese minds immigrated to the West   )

Me, I kind of don't treat non-classical pianists/composers (i.e. Brian Crain, Paul de Sennivile, Olivier Touissant, Yiruma, etc.) as "great", when I actually stop to actually think, here is what I think. Music was probably made to create beauty, as well as preventing boredom. Many "great" classical compsoers of the 21st century write music that is plain ugly, defying that purpose of music. However, this Blue Note person creates beauty, unlike those modern "classical"compsoers.  

hehheee   ... I've read some of your posts and it is becoming more difficult to believe that your are almost a teen or yet to become one very soon, as you claim.  It's either you are pulling our leg or your are a reincarnate!  Or was that someone else's post I read?  OMG, another senior moment? 

[pianoman1233]

You said the third was a whole new level

I didn't. I said it's something different.

You try to make statements about "freeing your mind" and "I don't need theory"

Please read my posts again, maybe then you understand. Now you understand them as you want to understand them. I think you have totally misunderstood almost everything I've written.

I'm not going to explain again, I did as well as I can. Not my problem if you really can't understand.

[pianoman1233]

I can hear some similar harmonies in that song than in Rachmaninoff's piano concertos, which I love.

If you want groundbreaking music, I like this.

[pianoman1233]

YASS!!! ZIMERMAN IS THE BOMB AT THIS CONCERTO (AND MOST OTHER CONCERTOS)  

OH YEAH ZIMERMAN!

I thought the point was the Rachmaninoff's piano concerto, not the player.

Zimerman does nothing special. Actually I like much more this:

Both are on Spotify if you want to compare them with better quality.

[rubinsteinmad]

I thought the point was the Rachmaninoff's piano concerto, not the player.

Zimerman does nothing special. Actually I like much more this:

Both are on Spotify if you want to compare them with better quality.

I don't have time to listen to it now, but I like Zimerman. I like Leif Ove Andsnes, too, though. However, I usually don't listen to him playing anything except Grieg. I have a EMI CD by him!!!! (But what's the point of CD's, right? )

[kawai_cs]

hehheee   ... I've read some of your posts and it is becoming more difficult to believe that your are almost a teen or yet to become one very soon, as you claim.  It's either you are pulling our leg or your are a reincarnate!  Or was that someone else's post I read?  OMG, another senior moment? 

Hhaha, that is what I think all the time. Too sharp for a 7-grader

[rubinsteinmad]

Hhaha, that is what I think all the time. Too sharp for a 7-grader

Well thanks. I take that as a compliment 

[pianoman1233]

[pencilart3]

NOT ANOTHER ONE! quit it!

[schumaniac]

Do you mind telling me what the notes of your "hexatonic" scale are?
I am starting to have trouble telling the difference between your "novel concept" and the blues scale. And the blues scale has been around since the beginning of jazz...

& even if you have an interesting scale, it's best not to slavishly adhere to it when improvising. (A creative process is different from merely knowing the notes of a scale and manipulating it.)

To give you some constructive feedback though, this one is a lot more complex than the previous ones; the technique you use to employ the "imitation" is commendable.

[dcstudio]

Do you mind telling me what the notes of your "hexatonic" scale are?
I am starting to have trouble telling the difference between your "novel concept" and the blues scale. And the blues scale has been around since the beginning of jazz...

& even if you have an interesting scale, it's best not to slavishly adhere to it when improvising. (A creative process is different from merely knowing the notes of a scale and manipulating it.)

To give you some constructive feedback though, this one is a lot more complex than the previous ones; the technique you use to employ the "imitation" is commendable.

it's known as the jazz or jazz blues scale.. 6 notes.(hexa-tonic) in C it's C Eb F G Gb Bb--it's been around forever.  The idea is perhaps not so novel but his improvisations are quite nice  and I am sure as he matures they will acquire more form and direction.  He's off to a fantastic start.

[schumaniac]

it's known as the jazz or jazz blues scale.. 6 notes.(hexa-tonic) in C it's C Eb F G Gb Bb--it's been around forever.  The idea is perhaps not so novel but his improvisations are quite nice  and I am sure as he matures they will acquire more form and direction.  He's off to a fantastic start.

Yes, I know this actually, from middle school jazz band; everyone's solos were based off the blues scale, because for us it was kind of a "quick and easy way" to sound good.
I was asking at first because the OP said that his improvisations were in a style "never heard before" and he kept proclaiming how significant it was that he used this "hexatonic scale." Basically, I was asking "isn't this just the blues scale?"

[dcstudio]

"never heard before" and he kept proclaiming how significant it was that he used this "hexatonic scale." Basically, I was asking "isn't this just the blues scale?"

yes it's just the blues scale.     I am not sure what the OP means by "never heard before" because really anyone who is improvising is technically playing something never heard before. The significance of the blues hexatonic scale--(because there is more than 1 hexatonic scale so it needs to be clarified)  is confusing as well...  it's been in common usage for more than a century.

but he's having a good time.. so that's cool.

[pianoman1233]

To give you some constructive feedback though, this one is a lot more complex than the previous ones; the technique you use to employ the "imitation" is commendable.

Please show me the "original". There's no one else who play with my style (not the scale). But there are hundreds of thousands of people who play with the common blues style. I wouldn't say my music is blues, although the scale is the same. You can play pop and classical and electronic music on the same scale.

everyone's solos were based off the blues scale, because for us it was kind of a "quick and easy way" to sound good.

Normally the solos are the best part of the song. Using the exact scale doesn't tell anything about if it is easy or not. You can also play difficult songs or solos on this scale. What I play isn't easy. If you think so, you can try if you can do similar improvisations (or even songs by composing) by yourself. If you can't, you can try to play my improvisation songs and try if you can even get them sound similar.

I was asking at first because the OP said that his improvisations were in a style "never heard before" and he kept proclaiming how significant it was that he used this "hexatonic scale." Basically, I was asking "isn't this just the blues scale?"

Please don't misrepresent about what I've said. I've never said the scale is something new by itself. The style and the scale are two totally different issues...

[dcstudio]

to the OP this is the passage in question.


"I'm an improvisation pianist and composer from Europe. I had over ten years break of active playing and now I learned the hexatonic blues scale and started to improvise with my own very unique style. I'm pretty sure that no one has ever done anything like this, so this is something new for the world!"

...I think what Schumaniac is asking is what exactly makes your style something new for the whole world?  What is the difference between your improvisations and everyone or anyone else's ?--pop melodies done in blues style have been done.  Furthermore how did you determine that no one else is doing what you are doing? that's all he means.

I improvise too...   

and there's more on the link below.

like I said technically all who improvise are playing something never heard before... but that is not what makes the solo unique.

[pianoman1233]

to the OP this is the passage in question.


"I'm an improvisation pianist and composer from Europe. I had over ten years break of active playing and now I learned the hexatonic blues scale and started to improvise with my own very unique style. I'm pretty sure that no one has ever done anything like this, so this is something new for the world!"

...I think what Schumaniac is asking is what exactly makes your style something new for the whole world?  What is the difference between your improvisations and everyone or anyone else's ?--pop melodies done in blues style have been done.  Furthermore how did you determine that no one else is doing what you are doing? that's all he means.

I improvise too...   

and there's more on the link below.

like I said technically all who improvise are playing something never heard before... but that is not what makes the solo unique.

What I meant is that some my melodies sound pretty pop style. They are not taken from any known or composed song, they are fully improvised.

What makes my improvisations unique, are all together: my own melodies, my own rhythms, the whole style.

I don't use already composed tunes as you and many other do.

[pencilart3]

[pianoman1233]

Excuse me?

I played my improvisations for my friends and they didn't believe they are my own. That's why I haven't told them about my channel.

Now I came on the biggest piano forum in the Internet and here are some teenagers telling me "shut up"?

Where are the moderators of this forum??

Please don't pencilart3 write on this thread if you really don't have anything else to say.

I'm very disapointed at the moment.

[pencilart3]

I'm very disapointed at the moment.

How? You are, after all, the world's best pianist.

[dcstudio]

I don't use already composed tunes as you and many other do.

LOL.

I am going to just let that one go.. as I am 51 years old, a piano teacher, and a working jazz pianist.   I am on your side... or I was anyway.



I am sorry that you found my question offensive because I didn't mean it that way.  I was looking for something more specific than it's "all mine" -- if you  say that this is something new for the world that no one else has done before I just thought you meant something other than because it was all yours.   Your progression and your rhythms are very standard which is usually the case with young improvisers.  Of course, you are free to make any claim you like...again I meant no disrespect.   I said earlier I liked your improvisations.  


so do you listen to any other pianists who improvise?

[pianoman1233]

How? You are, after all, the world's best pianist.

Yeah, musical genius. That's what I am. But when no one believes, it's pretty sad.

That's the reason why I started with provoking on here. I was and I still am very frustrated because of the situation.

More than for me, it's sad for the world. But I trust in the life. The beginning is always hard.

And improvisation by improvisation it's more and more a disgrace for everyone of you when you continue acting like you do.

I could go somewhere to perform, but I don't want publicity.

[pianoman1233]

so do you listen to any other pianists who improvise?

I've been trying to find out, but couldn't find anyone who improvise like me.

If you are a piano teacher, you can probably know some one who can do the same?

One improvisation song per week, right? At the same level than I do.

[pianoman1233]

Whose melodies are they if not mine? Here are 80k members on the forum and no one can find anything from anywhere?

[dcstudio]

Yeah, musical genius. That's what I am. But when no one believes, it's pretty sad.

very disturbing... whether you meant it or not.

in what way have you been disrespected?  

calling yourself the world's best pianist is bound to provoke a joke or snide comment--isn't that why you put it there?

posting that you are doing something brand new for the world musically is also bound to provoke inquiries as to exactly what you mean...  why are you offended?  no one has attacked you or your playing..

[dcstudio]

Whose melodies are they if not mine? Here are 80k members on the forum and no one can find anything from anywhere?

no one is suggesting you are plagiarizing melodies...

[pencilart3]

piano man I think chopin is a little better than you

[pianoman1233]

I got enough. If you don't get my points by reading my posts, it's sad and not my problem anymore.

Takes too much effort writing here every day same things. If you like then like if not then dislike. I'm gonna post the songs here in the future but probably not that much writing.

[dcstudio]

 

pianoman.. when you use improvisation and something brand new in the same description it suggests that the something new is in addition to the improv..  that's why I asked.


as someone who has 1.7 million YT views--I can tell you that if you have any hope of surviving on the internet you must learn to not take things so personally.  It's far easier to work with the piano community than against them.

you have a pretty big piano ego..



fully improvised blues and original artwork.. by me.   no pre-composed melody...

can you improvise like me?

...and I don't mean that as a challenge--just as a response to your request that I tell you of someone who improvises like you..  It's not like you--it's like me.. 

[dogperson]

I got enough. If you don't get my points by reading my posts, it's sad and not my problem anymore.

Takes too much effort writing here every day same things. If you like then like if not then dislike. I'm gonna post the songs here in the future but probably not that much writing.

There is another piano forum on the internet with a composer's room where you post... BUT ONLY IF AND WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU WANT MORE FEEDBACK.  You can't go in, like you did here, with guns blazing stating you are the World's Best.  The responses from members would make these look tame.

It appears, really, that you want no input from musicians, unless it is to hear how great you are-- really, even the 'greats' at anything always saw they could improve or use a different approach.

If you don't want input, what is your reasoning for posting more here rather than just sticking to YouTube or SoundCloud?  The 'audition room' means just that to most members:  audition.   "Here is my current effort, any suggestions? "

Take or leave the advice.

[pianoman1233]

...and I don't mean that as a challenge--just as a response to your request that I tell you of someone who improvises like you..  It's not like you--it's like me.. 

It's like thousands of other blues players. Can't hear much difference.

There is another piano forum on the internet with a composer's room where you post... BUT ONLY IF AND WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU WANT MORE FEEDBACK.  You can't go in, like you did here, with guns blazing stating you are the World's Best.  The responses from members would make these look tame.

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2469743/Blue_Note_Pianist's_incredible.html

[dogperson]

You have received no responses to your post, because it is posted in the wrong forum.
It should not go into 'parties/tours and more'  but into the independent forum "Composer's Lounge"

From looking at your intro, leaving out World's Best' was a good idea of a beginning.  I would recommend deleting 'no one has the same style'.  Again, advice you can ignore.  I don't care to argue this.

[pencilart3]

Dogperson, I don't usually say this, but I completely agree 100% totally with the last 2 posts you just made

[dcstudio]

It's like thousands of other blues players. Can't hear much difference.

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2469743/Blue_Note_Pianist's_incredible.html

that's exactly my point--but it's still all mine and new to the world at the same time...  Just because you are improvising doesn't mean it's new and different.




so now that we understand each other I am asking you what specifically sets your improvisation apart?  what are the specific musical elements you use that say I don't... what makes yours different?  what makes yours better?

now here's another of my improvisations more in the new age style..

it has 4 tracks I improvised and recorded already and I am playing along on the electric piano sound.  That's five tracks of improvisation running together... guess I could call myself a musical genius too?  why not?  (please, I am asking for something other than your personal feelings about whether or not you "like" it)

tell me how yours differs from this.

btw, I am only trying to get you to think a little deeper about what sets your music apart... and to be a little more tolerant of other pianists.   There's a whole lot of experience around here you could take advantage of.

[pianoman1233]

You have received no responses to your post, because it is posted in the wrong forum.
It should not go into 'parties/tours and more'  but into the independent forum "Composer's Lounge"

From looking at your intro, leaving out World's Best' was a good idea of a beginning.  I would recommend deleting 'no one has the same style'.  Again, advice you can ignore.  I don't care to argue this.

... and Projects --> Recordings. I don't think I'm composing, but maybe I make a thread there in the future.

[pianoman1233]

that's exactly my point--but it's still all mine and new to the world at the same time...  Just because you are improvising doesn't mean it's new and different.




so now that we understand each other I am asking you what specifically sets your improvisation apart?  what are the specific musical elements you use that say I don't... what makes yours different?  what makes yours better?

now here's another of my improvisations more in the new age style..

it has 4 tracks I improvised and recorded already and I am playing along on the electric piano sound.  That's five tracks of improvisation running together... guess I could call myself a musical genius too?  why not?

tell me how yours differs from this.

btw, I am only trying to get you to think a little deeper about what sets your music apart.

Sorry I don't want to talk with you anymore at all. I'm sorry.

I'd also appreciate if you correct the quote you made on your post.

Thanks everyone for the tips.

[dogperson]

... and Projects --> Recordings. I don't think I'm composing, but maybe I make a thread there in the future.

Don't be stubborn about this if you want views.  I saw exactly where you put it, and you will receive no comments.  It is in the wrong forum and sub-thread.  Again, no reply is needed:  move it, repost or ignore the advice.

[pianoman1233]

Don't be stubborn about this if you want views.  I saw exactly where you put it, and you will receive no comments.  It is in the wrong forum and sub-thread.  Again, no reply is needed:  move it, repost or ignore the advice.

I put it there because I thought it's the right place. This is a kind of project and recording. Also what I think is that improvisation is not composing in the sense.

But yeah, maybe you're right I could get more views there. Or maybe people would love to answer it's not a place for improvisations. Can't know.

[dcstudio]

Sorry I don't want to talk with you anymore at all. I'm sorry.

I'd also appreciate if you correct the quote you made on your post.

Thanks everyone for the tips.

whatever I quoted was what you had written at the time... it's too late to modify.. or are you talking about what I cut and pasted from your website--you've changed it? either way it's too late


if you are looking for comments from inexperienced people who are just going to tell you how great you are...  this is not the best place to post.

this is a classical piano forum.

[dogperson]

I put it there because I thought it's the right place. This is a kind of project and recording. Also what I think is that improvisation is not composing in the sense.

But yeah, maybe you're right I could get more views there. Or maybe people would love to answer it's not a place for improvisations. Can't know.

You cOULD know, if you wanted to know.  Look in the Composer's Lounge, and you will find improvisations there, such as this. 

https://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2460090/improvisation_no.1._for_piano.html#Post2460090

[rubinsteinmad]

Sorry I don't want to talk with you anymore at all. I'm sorry.

I'd also appreciate if you correct the quote you made on your post.

Thanks everyone for the tips.

Why not?
dcstudio was telling the truth when she said that there were many people in the world who can improvise very well (and create their own melodies).

[pencilart3]

Why not?
dcstudio was telling the truth

I'm guessing that's why.

[pianoman1233]

Why not?
dcstudio was telling the truth when she said that there were many people in the world who can improvise very well (and create their own melodies).

She could have done it in one sentence as you did if that was her point.

From me will no one get any respect by telling he's 51 or a piano teacher.

There are some personality types that I don't like to debate.

[dogperson]

She could have done it in one sentence as you did if that was her point.

From me will no one get any respect by telling he's 51 or a piano teacher.

There are some personality types that I don't like to debate.

You are really incredible!  DC was trying  to be supportive and understand.  She posted a YouTube video of a modern improv, with the melody as an improv and asked for feedback... not a debate.   She wasn't asking for your 'respect', although she could have.  She makes a living doing what you consider yourself to be 'the world's best' at doing.

Rather than onsidering an orig improv with improv melody,  you maligned the poster and the discussion.


Jawdropping really your response or lack thereof. 

[pianoman1233]

I see a lot of things from a different perspective. I didn't mean to be rude or nothing else.

Just felt that the "conversation" is going nowhere with her, so I don't want to put too much effort to it.

[dcstudio]

I see a lot of things from a different perspective. I didn't mean to be rude or nothing else.

Just felt that the "conversation" is going nowhere with her, so I don't want to put too much effort to it.

good luck out there in the real music world...

you got it all figured out pianoman...LOL 

[schumaniac]

Now I came on the biggest piano forum in the Internet and here are some teenagers telling me "shut up"?

Where are the moderators of this forum??

I'm sorry, but moderators don't censor other people's posts, unless they are absolute hate speech (e.g. that there should be another Holocaust and that Hitler is life)

you asked me "can you do an improvisation like me?" well that's interesting; I'm not trying to be hostile, but I think it's worth a try. Stay tuned; it may go on the Audition Room... and that's actually pretty funny @dcstudio but on my part, these conversations are still worth having...

[rubinsteinmad]

I'm sorry, but moderators don't censor other people's posts, unless they are absolute hate speech (e.g. that there should be another Holocaust and that Hitler is life)

you asked me "can you do an improvisation like me?" well that's interesting; I'm not trying to be hostile, but I think it's worth a try. Stay tuned; it may go on the Audition Room... and that's actually pretty funny @dcstudio but on my part, these conversations are still worth having...

I cant wait! Ill post some of my terrible improvisations too, but maybe later

[dcstudio]

you asked me "can you do an improvisation like me?" well that's interesting; I'm not trying to be hostile, but I think it's worth a try. Stay tuned; it may go on the Audition Room...

YES!!!!

wow... if this thread, for whatever reason, inspires you to improvise Schumaniac -- then it was definitely worthwhile.

  I look forward to hearing your "world's best pianist" improvisations.

[pianoman1233]

you asked me "can you do an improvisation like me?" well that's interesting; I'm not trying to be hostile, but I think it's worth a try. Stay tuned; it may go on the Audition Room... and that's actually pretty funny @dcstudio but on my part, these conversations are still worth having...

One per week, different kinds of. This is important.

Make a thread the world's second best pianist.

[dcstudio]

One per week, different kinds of. This is important.

Make a thread the world's second best pianist.

at the risk of causing more crap--and for anyone else who reads this---I don't think you are improvising...  I think you are formulating repeated patterns and calling it improvisation.  One song per week in different styles...hmmm you see that just doesn't make sense..

when one is a proficient at improvisation...  a song in any style can be improvised at any time...  this once a week thing...  that indicates a  preparation of some kind...  that you spend time composing at least part of it.

so it's not technically improvisation.. but you just go ahead and call it whatever you like..

I was clarifying it for the other members here...