The World's Best Pianist - Improvisation No. 1 [relaxing piano]

[rubinsteinmad]

Theme stop. You're just making it even worse when you leave again. Don't leave this time!! Things have really changed. Ky piano and kevon have mostly left, Emily is quite tame, and I have cut back on unrelated posts...

Tame??? Who tamed me???

[pencilart3]

Tame??? Who tamed me???

Me and AJ. Obviously.

[rubinsteinmad]

Me and AJ. Obviously.

Oh

[ajlongspiano]

Emily don't be so sad

[rubinsteinmad]

I guess I'll never be a Tiger Mom then.

[rubinsteinmad]

I guess I'll never be a Tiger Mom then.

Wait, I can be a tamed tiger

[pencilart3]

Wait, I can be a tamed tiger

He is not a tame lion.

No, but he is good.

Who can tell me the reference first?

[ajlongspiano]

wizard of oz.

Noah go check my most recent pm

[rubinsteinmad]

wizard of oz.

Noah go check my most recent pm

Its not nice to talk behind men's backs.

[pencilart3]

WIZARD OF OZ?!?! What are you, a homeschooler? Oh, wait... Nope. Guess again.



YAY THAT'S POST 1000 I'M AT 1000 POSTS YAY YAY YAY YAY LET'S HAVE A PARTY YES HORRAY

Much different than chopinlover's 1000th post lol

[rubinsteinmad]

WIZARD OF OZ?!?! What are you, a homeschooler? Oh, wait... Nope. Guess again.



YAY THAT'S POST 1000 I'M AT 1000 POSTS YAY YAY YAY YAY LET'S HAVE A PARTY YES HORRAY

Much different than chopinlover's 1000th post lol

Narnia. So obvious.

[pencilart3]

Narnia. So obvious.

Good work, child.

[pianoman1233]

Please do not flood this thread full of sh*t. Maybe you should establish a channel on IRC to chat. There were three good posts and I'll answer them soon.

Edit: On later today

[pencilart3]

Please do not flood this thread full of sh*t. Maybe you should establish a channel on IRC to chat. There were three good posts and I'll answer them soon.

Edit: On later today

We are sorry if we have caused thee any discomfort, o grand exalted master!!

[pianoman1233]

You basically sit in the same harmonic framework for the entire duration. Where is this improvisation going? What are you trying to say with it? It's actually tiring to the ears. Considering your statements on not needing to know music theory and blah blah, I'm not surprised to find this to be the case.

Overall it sounds like something I might hear in a doctor's office waiting room, or elevator, or watching the Weather Channel.

Also apropos, given your attitude:

Yeah, the harmonic framework on the chords is same that in the blues music. Only the pattern is different than normally. The improvisation comes from the melodies played by the right hand. The right hand plays only the hexatonic scale, on where is played all the solos in metal/rock, which normally are the best part of the song!

Even if you had played thousand of different chords in your improvisation song, it wouldn't make  better the improvisation itself if there isn't any melody created. You can find thousands of songs of this kind on Youtube. You just have been taught what is "real" music and you also have learned it unconsciously. When you can hear the harmonies from the classical music, you automatically see it more as "real music". Everything is just learning in the life. Human beings are like biological computers. Those who have been listening jazz/blues/rock/heavy are more likely to like my songs.

Check a moderate improvisation on Youtube and then ask the same question. If you listen carefully, and try not to set your brain as a limit for listening, you can see that in a moderate improvisation there's not much melody at all. Only scales/chords played up and down. If some melody can be found, normally they are variations of some known pieces.

I didn't say you don't need to know anything about music theory. If you read the posts again what I wrote about that, maybe you can get it. At this point please use your brain.

About that picture you posted: I'm not telling I'm the only conscious person on the planet. Can you even realize that in depth? It's totally ego based idea what it is reflecting, everyone of those see the other as they want to see. They can't get into others mind, so they want to think they are the only one who can understand.

There are many layers on this issue. If you can't understand how you work by yourself, how you could understand others? Even by posting a picture like that and telling it's my attitude, you are just telling about your self. When you really get in the level where you really understand things, you are not anymore acting like the people on the picture. You don't anymore care about others and criticize them even at the level of thought.

Can you see the layers on this issue? 1: You are one with a head full of fog and don't even think about those things. 2: You are one who thinks he's conscious enough and the others not. This is actually same than the first one if you think it more deeply. 3: You know the others do whatever they do and don't care about (criticize) it even at the level of thought. And this is again close to the first one... Just going with the head full of fog.

Only the perspective changes, the ego takes only a different form. Quite paradoxical I think.

I think you have a really "real" and positive outlook, which other people are misinterpreting as being delusional/arrogant. People seem to think famous pianists are godlike and exist on a whole different plane just because they're good enough to be well known. I guess the fact that you don't is aggravating.

The things you have posted may be opinionated/provocative, but I don't think they're dishonest about your ability (being one of those all talk sc*mbags). There are people who mislead themselves and others about their skills, but I don't think you're one of them.

This is probably what I think the most. If I bought a grand piano, wear a dress suit and played classical harmonic scales (or cover songs) with a very moderate touch (or a moderate arrangement) and without much melody, people would love it. Oh, also a full hd video resolution and edited properly.

Now when it is only VGA resolution, and I play with "wrong" harmonies/patterns, anything else doesn't matter anymore. As I said, you could get hundreds of thousands of hits and subscribers with bad cover songs... This is how the human brain works.

If one day I would be "world's best pianist", automatically then those my two first songs would be something incredible for anyone. Anyone would swear he can hear my genius in those songs. You see and hear what you want to see and what you have taught.

If the "incredible improvisation pianists" on Youtube really were incredible, they would do hundreds of those incredible improvisations. Now when they really can't improvise in reality, there are only one "incredible improvisation".

Tenk has been the only one to highlight the 'structure' of the piece presented..
With the first link provided, the LH is on a 2 bar loop.. using Fminor7 (iv) Gminor7 (v) and Cminor7 (i)…Takes about  8 seconds.  repeats (pretty much exactly) for 24 times to so.. To compound this, the rh is pretty constrained in what it does as well...
Though being unaware of this, doesn't mean it is not (doggedly) there.
P-man… you may benefit from someone bothering to mention this.. You might look into some basic theory, if for nothing else, but to be aware from a 'literary' sense of what you are doing.
good luck..

Yes I already know this all. As said, the chords are same than in the blues music but the pattern is different and pretty simple. I will do songs with different patterns, but I like very much that one I use now. From the picture below you can see the most common patterns for the blues music.

I wouldn't say the right hand is constrained at all... Not in either of those my two songs. There can be found thousands of (classical) songs which are very, very constrained compared to those. I really believe that you only want to see it as constrained at this point.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-bar_blues

BTW: For me it seems that this all is some kind of threat to the classical music for some of you. Of course I was provoking at the beginning to get attention, and here's the result. A lot of debate, which is good. I think that this is the best start to start conquer the world

[pencilart3]

That was quite the post.

[themeandvariation]

P-man,
(though against my better judgment, i'll persist one last time)
'Batman' theme and a billion others have adopted the cliched 12 bar loop (the chords in your graph in root position) but at least the loop is 12 bars.  Yours loop is 2.. Kind of akin to standing in place while spinning.  (if the Mm. is 60 per quarter; at best it would be a 4 bar if the beat 120… but since you say it is 'relaxing', i think we must deduce it as 2 bars.)…  Also, In appropriating the 12 bar structure, the improvising rh is to be set free, as it were.  You call what you did with the rh improvising?
I can tell that you seem quite set on defending your position; that is fine.. Have at it, and good luck.. (i however am done responding)

[visitor]

[pencilart3]

Visitor, exactly. Stay out of it if you know what's good for you.

[visitor]

Visitor, exactly. Stay out of it if you know what's good for you.

ok. i guess i'll mullett over

[tenk]

Thank you Theme -- you said it more succinctly (and nicer) than I would have. So I'll just leave these here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation_%28music%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_substitution

Be sure to let us all know when you hit the big time P-man

[pianoman1233]

P-man,
(though against my better judgment, i'll persist one last time)
'Batman' theme and a billion others have adopted the cliched 12 bar loop (the chords in your graph in root position) but at least the loop is 12 bars.  Yours loop is 2.. Kind of akin to standing in place while spinning.  (if the Mm. is 60 per quarter; at best it would be a 4 bar if the beat 120… but since you say it is 'relaxing', i think we must deduce it as 2 bars.)…  Also, In appropriating the 12 bar structure, the improvising rh is to be set free, as it were.  You call what you did with the rh improvising?
I can tell that you seem quite set on defending your position; that is fine.. Have at it, and good luck.. (i however am done responding)

You are concentrating on numbers on the screen, because you want to find something that is wrong. Nothing is wrong. 12 bar loop is not any better than 2. No listener is concentrating on these issues. People want to listen good music, they don't care about if there is 2 or 3 bar loop going.

[pencilart3]

People want to listen good music,

Which is exactly why your video has 0 likes and 4 dislikes.

[pianoman1233]

Which is exactly why your video has 0 likes and 4 dislikes.

Some people like some not. It's easier to dislike. You don't know how your brain work. Do you think I care about that? No. For me it's pretty funny when every one here is behaving like a teenager after my provoking. I know what I'm capable of, and if it is some problem that there is a 2 or 4 bar loop and it's a good reason to dislike then go ahead.

[pencilart3]

every one here is behaving like a teenager

I am a teenager. And I'm proud of it.

[rubinsteinmad]

every one here is behaving like a teenager

Thank you so much! I'm so proud I behave more mature than the rest of the people my age! I'm turning a teen in a few months, and I cant wait, but I really appreciate that someone thinks I already behave like a teen.

Again, thank you!

[pianoman1233]

Thank you so much! I'm so proud I behave more mature than the rest of the people my age! I'm turning a teen in a few months, and I cant wait, but I really appreciate that someone thinks I already behave like a teen.

Again, thank you!

Couldn't have believed you're so young. Obviously your behavior will change then Maybe worse.

[pianoman1233]

Something different.

[pencilart3]

Blue Note Pianist? *facepalm*

[pianoman1233]

Blue Note Pianist? *facepalm*

Thanks.

[schumaniac]

Blue Note Pianist? *facepalm*

what does "Blue Note" mean?
it sounds cool... is it just not very humble, like "The World's Best Pianist?"

[schumaniac]

Something different.

I'm sorry but frankly... this was quite tiring to listen to, with the repeated chord in the right hand and the "looping" chord progression (even though you did vary the rhythm) :/

[pianoman1233]

I'm sorry but frankly... this was quite tiring to listen to, with the repeated chord in the right hand and the "looping" chord progression (even though you did vary the rhythm) :/

Try to listen again and get used to it.

[rubinsteinmad]

Try to listen again and get used to it.

I liked the 1st improvisation better, just saying. Even though the 3rd was great and all, the 1st was a groundbreaker.

[pianoman1233]

I liked the 1st improvisation better, just saying. Even though the 3rd was great and all, the 1st was a groundbreaker.

Thanks Yes, I also like the first one most. I had a pretty good mood when I improvised it so got a good flow. On that night I improvised also two other pieces, which are the same style. The other one of those I like even more than the first one. I will publish it later but the melody from the other one I may be recording again if I can.

It's pretty much just let out my emotions when I do these, so can't do those kind of improvisations one per week... At least not at the moment. Though what I personally think is that the first is just a little fraction of my whole potential... I'm going through a some kind of process with myself and I don't know how long this takes but after a year or two I'll be on a whole new level.

[rubinsteinmad]

I'm going through a some kind of process with myself and I don't know how long this takes but after a year or two I'll be on a whole new level.

I cant wait! Make sure to upload those!

[chopinlover01]

On a whole new level of cockiness?
Have fun.
As for your third improv, it's even more incredibly boring and repetitive than the first.
You're not saying anything with your music, though you're trying to say with your mouth how amazing and groundbreaking your music is, when you have no clue what you're talking about.

[alistaircrane4]

I'd like to hear if someone can find anything that is even close to the style I play with. I couldn't have found anything. But maybe you need to wait a moment and a couple of new songs for getting deeper into it.

You can't find anyone with your style that is correct. Only because no one would want your style. Blechacz may not make something new but he plays much more interesting things than you.

[pianoman1233]

I cant wait! Make sure to upload those!

I will.

On a whole new level of cockiness?

Maybe, depends on your perspective. Was Jesus cocky when he told he's son of God.

At least on a whole new level in the music. This I can promise because I've been there. It is directly proportional to the mental state or mood, so I guess maybe I won't be as cocky then...

You can't find anyone with your style that is correct. Only because no one would want your style. Blechacz may not make something new but he plays much more interesting things than you.

Only because no one has ever could create something like that. And still can't. I suppose you know that there are a lot of styles in music that some like and the others not.

It seems some are interested...

[pencilart3]

Maybe, depends on your perspective. Was Jesus cocky when he told he's son of God.

At least he was telling the truth!

[tenk]

3 minutes of this nonsense? Brutal. No number of listens will help me "get used to it".

[dogperson]

WHY is there still conversation about these improvisations?  The OP thinks they are extraordinary, has found one member that likes them and is content.  Other posts that have recommendations for change have been rejected.

Isn't this a case of 'beating a dead horse'?   IMHO

[emill]

WHY is there still conversation about these improvisations?  The OP thinks they are extraordinary, has found one member that likes them and is content.  Other posts that have recommendations for change have been rejected.

Isn't this a case of 'beating a dead horse'?   IMHO

or is this "much ado over nothing" ??
As a non-pianist, I do not find his playing style "unpleasant" as others do or say they do.
But frankly, if my opinion is valued I would say I will not come back for seconds but at the
same time I would stay until the show ends.  

[pianoman1233]

The OP thinks they are extraordinary, has found one member that likes them and is content.

More than one. Not everyone who like want to write on this thread...

As a non-pianist, I do not find his playing style "unpleasant" as others do or say they do.

Thanks.

[visitor]

pardon me, passing through.

[rubinsteinmad]

As a non-pianist, I do not find his playing style "unpleasant" as others do or say they do.

I agree. Some music conservatists/puritans/classical-music-supremaciststs  think that no music should be heard on this world except for classical music. These people are usually people who've been studying classical music, exclusively, for a long time. They refuse to look at new ideas, proning them to failure. (Look at Chinese history; Western ideas were basically censored by the Manchu invaders, and therefore China became one of the least technologically advanced Far-Eastern countries by the 1900s. Also, the communists decided they would censor Western ideas, as well, and then all of the brightest Chinese minds immigrated to the West  )

Me, I kind of don't treat non-classical pianists/composers (i.e. Brian Crain, Paul de Sennivile, Olivier Touissant, Yiruma, etc.) as "great", when I actually stop to actually think, here is what I think. Music was probably made to create beauty, as well as preventing boredom. Many "great" classical compsoers of the 21st century write music that is plain ugly, defying that purpose of music. However, this Blue Note person creates beauty, unlike those modern "classical"compsoers.

[chopinlover01]

I just gave it another listen, it was just a whole 'nother layer...

Maybe, depends on your perspective. Was Jesus cocky when he told he's son of God.

At least on a whole new level in the music. This I can promise because I've been there. It is directly proportional to the mental state or mood, so I guess maybe I won't be as cocky then...

Though I promised not to respond to these kinds of things, I'm going to make a blanket statement of "thou shalt not proclaim thyself to be the son of God without sufficient evidence".
hint: he didn't
A whole new level in the music? You said the third was a whole new level, it was nothing but annoying chords being drilled into my head.
You try to make statements about "freeing your mind" and "I don't need theory" and all the rest, and yet you're the one that has yet to free your own mind to the concept of theory.

It seems some are interested...

One of them not being a pianist.
If you want groundbreaking music, I like this.

[pencilart3]

this.

OH YEAH ZIMERMAN!

[rubinsteinmad]

If you want groundbreaking music, I like this.

YASS!!! ZIMERMAN IS THE BOMB AT THIS CONCERTO (AND MOST OTHER CONCERTOS) 


Oh, and he's overcome adversity when playing with an AMERICAN ORCHESTRA!!!!! 

[chopinlover01]

Everybody else takes that movement slower than I prefer- mostly because they can't.