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Offline pencilart3

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Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
« on: October 15, 2015, 05:56:51 AM »
1st movement - Chopin F minor
2nd movement - Grieg A minor
3rd movement - Chopin E minor

or

1st movement - Rachmaninoff C minor
2nd movement - Liszt E flat Major
3rd movement - Chopin E minor
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #1 on: October 15, 2015, 11:37:36 AM »
This may seem odd, but I'd say that Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 in d minor is the perfect concerto. No wasted melodies, or filler - just beauty.

As opposed to say Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 1 which does sound sporadic and schizophrenic - granted he was only 18 when he wrote it, but still.

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #2 on: October 15, 2015, 02:35:27 PM »
I think it you combined concerto movements like that it would just sound weird because there's no continuity.
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 02:54:14 PM »
This may seem odd, but I'd say that Brahms Piano Concerto No. 1 in d minor is the perfect concerto. No wasted melodies, or filler - just beauty.

I saw somebody really good play that. What was his name? Oh wait I remember I think it was... Krystian Zimerman?

I think it you combined concerto movements like that it would just sound weird because there's no continuity.

That's why I picked the ones that I did. I play Chopin F minor 1st mov. then Grieg A minor 2nd mov. then Chopin E minor 3rd mov. and it sounds just fine.

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 02:55:11 PM »
I think it you combined concerto movements like that it would just sound weird because there's no continuity.
precisely. at the very least use some logical key relationsips, above in the op example, going from e flat major to e minor would be pretty jarring without a good transition and careful modulation, can work within a movement from to just stop on e flat and start on e nat, that's quite the cold ice water bucket to  the face.

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #5 on: October 15, 2015, 02:57:49 PM »
precisely. at the very least use some logical key relationsips, above in the op example, going from e flat major to e minor would be pretty jarring without a good transition and careful modulation, can work within a movement from to just stop on e flat and start on e nat, that's quite the cold ice water bucket to  the face.

You apparently haven't tried it.
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #6 on: October 15, 2015, 03:10:35 PM »
You apparently haven't tried it.
no worries, not pickin on you.  it's an interesting question. i just can't bring myself to split up groovy conceretos.

like this thing. All the movements work and fit together so well, pulling out of context and combining w another would be pretty difficult for me to do. that's all.

btw= love this this, my favorite new concerto in a long time, think'neo impressionist' . super lovely work by Wanamo (who did the other FF concerto as well, but i don't believe any of his scores ever publish these are likely tightly held and avail by approved loan/rental only)

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #7 on: October 15, 2015, 03:15:55 PM »
no worries, not pickin on you.  it's an interesting question. i just can't bring myself to split up groovy conceretos.

like this thing. All the movements work and fit together so well, pulling out of context and combining w another would be pretty difficult for me to do. that's all.

btw= love this this, my favorite new concerto in a long time, think'neo impressionist' . super lovely work by Wanamo (who did the other FF concerto as well, but i don't believe any of his scores ever publish these are likely tightly held and avail by approved loan/rental only)

I suppose I could mash these two together and create one big super concerto with lots of movements and call it a suite for piano and orchestra

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #8 on: October 15, 2015, 03:19:25 PM »
Yeah and it's fine if you just want to pick one concerto if you think there are no better movements. I almost just put chopin f minor but I figured NAH since I was the op haha
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #9 on: October 15, 2015, 04:53:12 PM »
How about

1st movement - Rach 3
2nd movement - Rach 3
3rd movement - Rach 3

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #10 on: October 15, 2015, 05:01:41 PM »
How about

1st movement - Rach 3
2nd movement - Rach 3
3rd movement - Rach 3
I agree with that wholeheartedly

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #11 on: October 15, 2015, 05:18:23 PM »
How about

1st movement - Rach 3
2nd movement - Rach 3
3rd movement - Rach 3

Lol.  Leave out the cadenzas.
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #12 on: October 15, 2015, 06:37:17 PM »


That's why I picked the ones that I did. I play Chopin F minor 1st mov. then Grieg A minor 2nd mov. then Chopin E minor 3rd mov. and it sounds just fine.



Still think it sounds weird.

I'm not THAT familiar with the pieces I'm responding to but I am with the other example you gave.

You got three completely different styles that are different not only by composer but by time period.
Then you go from c minor to E flat major to e minor without a smooth transitioning modulation.
And then the themes don't relate to each other at all.  

Sure the individual pieces sound fine, but when I hear this I don't hear a full three movement concerto I just here three different movements from three different concertos.

It kinda reminds me of this
except not as drastic.

But hey if that's what you would prefer then more power to you.
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #13 on: October 15, 2015, 07:45:59 PM »
precisely. at the very least use some logical key relationsips, above in the op example, going from e flat major to e minor would be pretty jarring without a good transition and careful modulation, can work within a movement from to just stop on e flat and start on e nat, that's quite the cold ice water bucket to  the face.

You clearly don't know that Liszt's 1st Concerto's 2nd movement is in B MAJOR.

It would fir PERFECTLY with the 3rd movement of the Chopin 1.

To prove it, here is the chords:

V I

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #14 on: October 15, 2015, 11:28:46 PM »
The perfect classical period concerto (and I know that Mendelsohn and Chopin aren't exactly classical, but it is very early sounding.):

I. Mendelssohn Concerto #1, I
------- long slow recitative-style cadenza composed by A J Long and no one else. ::)
II Beethoven 5, II <3333333
--------recitative cadenza, not as beautiful, composed by pencilart  ::)
III Grande Polonaise, Op. 22 (Chopin)

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #15 on: October 15, 2015, 11:36:41 PM »
--------recitative cadenza, not as beautiful, composed by pencilart  ::)

Umm... excuse me? That is very kind of you.
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #16 on: October 15, 2015, 11:44:39 PM »
Umm... excuse me? That is very kind of you.

You're very welcome! I was like, "Hmmm..... schumaniac?" But then I thought of you and how bad you'd feel if you didn't get to write the cadenza.  ::)

I wonder if I was too kind? Will the audience leave the hall before the Grande Polonaise starts? I sincerely hope not. ::)

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #17 on: October 15, 2015, 11:47:30 PM »
Well, the results came in:
 

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #18 on: October 16, 2015, 10:56:20 AM »
I saw somebody really good play that. What was his name? Oh wait I remember I think it was... Krystian Zimerman?

Have you heard Stephen Kovacevich or Maurizio Pollini playing them??? They'll blow you away.

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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #19 on: October 16, 2015, 03:02:46 PM »
Have you heard Stephen Kovacevich or Maurizio Pollini playing them??? They'll blow you away.

I'll be sure to listen to them, but the thing was, I saw Zimerman live!  :)
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Re: Assemble the perfect 3 movement concerto
«Reply #20 on: October 16, 2015, 07:52:32 PM »
I'll be sure to listen to them, but the thing was, I saw Zimerman live!  :)
I'll be sure to listen to them, but the thing was, I saw Zimerman live!  :)
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