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Offline urizaf

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Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
on: December 26, 2015, 04:19:10 PM
Ever since the first recording I posted here i've been working on this. Its my second attempt. I've tried to work on all the suggestions, here's the final version I recorded today.

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #1 on: December 26, 2015, 09:38:29 PM
Yes, the difference between this and the first take is like night and day.  You have the makings of becoming a very fine pianist - and now i can add with artistic temperament.  Just listening to the opening after the chord intro, i get the pathos that chopin imbued into that turbulent theme.  You take it slower and with intent.  And the runs have direction now.  But i'm curious as to how you arrived at this.  When you did the first take, were you convinced of what you were doing?  Did you think that was all there was?  What made you change your outlook?
Just one criticism.  The second theme around bar 50 (just before the descending 16th note run) lacks that heroic and noble quality.  And it's because you play that fourth eighth note chord staccato.  I know there's an eighth note rest after it.  But i would hold the pedal.  Try it.
I want to hear the third movement...

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #2 on: December 26, 2015, 09:47:33 PM
Wow, beautiful!
May I ask you  2 questions? What piano (brand) is it?
Was there time in your past when you struggled to play well ( in terms of technically well)? Or has it always been smooth and effortless for you?
I am curious because you seem to be able to play anything you want the way you want it. I mean, neither your hands nor any technical struggles seem to stop you or make you play differently than what you intend and this is amazing.
Chopin, 10-8 | Chopin, 25-12 | Haydn, HOB XVI:20

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #3 on: December 26, 2015, 10:34:19 PM
kawai_cs:

the piano is yamaha U3.

It's extremely hard to play well. It looks easy but it may take me months to master a piece. there are some pieces which are easier to master, and some that i just cant cause i dont like them.
I have some technical problems sometimes, because i like to push myself to the limits. If I manage to live in the way i believe I play really good :)

birba: the first take is about two weeks ago, its here:


I just recorded it after and a half of playing this piece every day.. I just kept practicing it since then and recorded it spontaneously.
I only play this movement so far, I'll try to learn the 3rd and post it for you...

Uri

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #4 on: December 26, 2015, 10:45:14 PM
Thank you! :)
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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #5 on: December 27, 2015, 12:28:19 AM
Now I would concentrate more on transitions throughout this movement, it feels a bit too spontaneous right now in certain places.

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #6 on: December 27, 2015, 12:38:50 AM
You're teacher is Arie Vardi correct?
What was his opinion of the difference between the first and second recording.
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Offline chopinlover01

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #7 on: December 27, 2015, 05:12:10 AM
Much better. I might still recommend you try to really express the "agitato" in the first theme, but it's miles better now. I still lose interest in the leggerio sections, however; though it may seem deceptive, the RH is really the accompaniment over a simple bass line.

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #8 on: December 27, 2015, 06:13:35 AM
I love this piece! It is very hard also! I have a few suggestions but it is 11:15 at night and I am leading worship at my church tomorrow morning, so... I'll type them tomorrow ;) But you're doing great! I would point you to Rafal Blechacz or Maurizio Pollini for 2 great recordings of this piece.
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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #9 on: December 27, 2015, 10:43:45 AM
I love this piece! It is very hard also! I have a few suggestions but it is 11:15 at night and I am leading worship at my church tomorrow morning, so... I'll type them tomorrow ;) But you're doing great! I would point you to Rafal Blechacz or Maurizio Pollini for 2 great recordings of this piece.

Gotta disagree, Lipatti and possibly Trifonov are my favorites :p (Pollini and Blechacz can feel a bit mechanical sometimes)

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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #10 on: December 27, 2015, 06:48:17 PM
11:15 at night and I am leading worship at my church tomorrow morning,
Oh, interesting. Sorry for off-topic but I am wondering if it it was a job (aren't you too young for a priest? ::))?
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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #11 on: December 27, 2015, 08:28:53 PM
Very good!  The bass at 4:00 or starting just before is splendid.  I would maintain the tempo you establish in the buildup in the introduction when the main theme begins.
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Re: Chopin Sonata no.3 , 4th Movement (2nd recording)
Reply #12 on: December 27, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
Oh, interesting. Sorry for off-topic but I am wondering if it it was a job (aren't you too young for a priest? ::))?

Of course I'm not a priest. I volunteer to do worship 2x/month. I just play piano and sing ;)
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