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[VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
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furiouzpianist
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[VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
on: March 07, 2016, 02:07:36 PM
I'm going to start programming this again soon.
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Beethoven: Sonata Op. 111 in C Minor
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mjames
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Re: [VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
Reply #1 on: March 08, 2016, 06:46:14 AM
Never played this so I can't offer any advice but I just want to say I enjoy your playing very much. Listening to it again...surprised no one else has commented
gud sht Michael
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birba
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Re: [VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
Reply #2 on: March 08, 2016, 03:26:38 PM
Interesting listening to you. I decided in my autumn-winter years to finally learn this. I've done most of the sonatas with the exception of this and the 106. To me, it's the ultimate in Beethoven. At once impossible, yet very accessibile. I've only listened to the first movement, so far. a couple of times, actually. I was curious to how you worked out some of the technical problems. With the exception of the opening octaves, I divide a lot between the two hands, when it doesn't affect the outcome. (I'm curious to see how you do the final trills!) I think you play this honestly and very brilliantly. That is, your brilliancy isn't an end to itself. It does express something more. On the whole, I think the allegro should always be at the same speed, to give the movement more cohesivness. That is, the opening, for example, is much faster then the following episode or parts of the development. And some of the ritardandos and sotto tempo places are too sudden. It's sort of patchy, in the outcome. And the brilliant parts are almost too flashy, at times, for me. But then I could be your grandfather and it's only normal that my conception is slower than yours. When I did the course with Kempff, I really didn't get certain things he did and said. But with time I really appreciated the different outlook he had on Beethoven. Very personal, and yet, at the same time, very very Beethoven, if you get what I mean. There are wonderful moments in this movement. Can't wait to hear the second!
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birba
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Re: [VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
Reply #3 on: March 08, 2016, 06:09:31 PM
Well. That was very fine playing. I enjoyed watching what you did in the first set of trills. I hadn't thought of that! If you don't mind, I'm going to steal that hands over with the left hand. The trills come out much more even that way. And you play the last section straight! bravo. I alternate a few times with the left hand. Of course, Arrau would roll over in his grave if he heard all this. He was a stickler for playing EXACTLY as it was written by Beethoven. The only thing I have to comment on is the top heaviness of your playing this movement. You exaggerate so much the melody that we lose a lot of the harmony and what is going on between the treble and the bass. especially in the first three variations and the part after the first set of trills. But I think with time you're going to find yourself exploring other alternatives. I did notice that you play those inner notes like Kempff does in the first part of the fourth variation instead of the sforzandi on the weak beat. I like that, too.
Look, there's lots I'd like to comment on but suffice it to say that I enjoyed your interpretation very much. And with time, this sonata is going to be yours. Bravo.
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huaidongxi
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Re: [VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
Reply #4 on: March 08, 2016, 07:36:48 PM
dankon, maestro Kaykov. the finale brought me tears. and you have a lifetime of exploration and discovery ahead with this musik. peace
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quantum
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Re: [VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
Reply #5 on: March 13, 2016, 03:07:36 AM
An ebullient interpretation of technical resplendence and ease. It seems as though you have taken the brilliance of early Beethoven and brought it into this last sonata of his.
If there was something I was yearning for in your interpretation, it would be a greater sense of space. That rests embodied a sense of rest and breath, and long notes a body of expanse. Notes of shorter values are easier to manage due to finer granular control of pace, but notes and rests of longer duration can similarly be shaped.
Greater use of the tonal gamut of the instrument would have been good to hear, but perhaps your overall bright tone is part of what you envision for this piece.
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chomaninoff1
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Re: [VID] Beethoven op 111 (complete)
Reply #6 on: April 04, 2016, 09:19:55 AM
muy impressivo.
you really give life to this performance. don't have any tips, sorry. i just wanted to say congrats.
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