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Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
on: July 29, 2016, 09:46:13 PM
I believe in the importance of diversity, including diversity of thought, and I respect all opinions that may be given.  I will limit myself in this thread to only asking questions and I will only ask questions to supporters of Mr. Trump EDIT: who are American citizens of voting age and plan to vote for Mr. Trump this fall.  Everyone is welcome to post, however. I will not comment.  I will also not respond to non-supporters of Mr. Trump.  I only ask that non-supporters of Mr. Trump that choose to participate will be respectful at all times.  I may get no responses to this topic, which is fine.  

My opening question to supporters of Mr. Trump who are American citizens of voting age and plan to vote for Mr. Trump this fall:  Are you supporting Mr. Trump because you are angry about something?  If Yes:  What are you angry about and how will Mr. Trump help?  If No:  Why do you support Mr. Trump?

EDIT 2: I reserve the right to not ask additional questions for any given post.  ;)

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #1 on: July 30, 2016, 02:59:47 AM
I don't support Trump, and I'm too young to support him anyways, but the reason I'd prefer him over Hillary Clinton is that I don't want a war with Russia or China. Clinton seems like she wants to fight Russia and China (especially China). If we do fight, there will be a draft, and there will be tremendous losses (needless to say.) There will have probably not any major benefits to any side. Trump seems more inclined to negotiation (especially with Russia), for which some of the Clinton-backers make fun of him for. (I saw that they write things such as "Trump kisses Putin's ass".)

Also, since I am part Asian, I would be worse off under Clinton's rule, even without war; as President, she has the power to appoint a Supreme Court justice who will make the college quota for Asians even lower than it is now. The White majority will also be at loss (a smaller one though); some of our chances for college will be given to the Hispanic and Black minority (even though most colleges already are far more lenient to them than Asians.) As you know, I have yet to go to college, so this would affect my life tremendously, for I am neither Black or Hispanic.
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 03:08:19 AM
I don't support Trump, and I'm too young to support him anyways, but the reason I'd prefer him over Hillary Clinton is that I don't want a war with Russia or China. Clinton seems like she wants to fight Russia and China (especially China). If we do fight, there will be a draft, and there will be tremendous losses (needless to say.) There will have probably not any major benefits to any side. Trump seems to be inclining to negotiation (especially with Russia), for which some of the Clinton-backers make fun of him for. (I saw that they write unintelligent things such as "Trump kisses Putin's ass".)

Also, since I am part Asian, I would be much worse off under Clinton's rule, even without war; as President, she has the power to appoint a Supreme Court justice who will make the college quota for Asians even lower than it is now. The White majority will also be at loss (a smaller one though); some of our chances for college will be given to the Hispanic and Black minority (who generally don't get as good grades in school.) As you know, I have yet to go to college, so this would affect my life tremendously, for I am neither Black or Hispanic.

Opus 43:  Thank you for your post!  I should have thought this through a little more.  It's great that you posted, but I will only ask follow up questions for people who are American citizens who are of voting age and will vote in the fall's election.  I will edit my original post to clarify this.  Thank you! :)

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 03:14:16 AM
As I understand affirmative action in regards to higher education is a state issue, not a federal one. I don't think the executive branch has any jurisdiction over it, so I doubt she'll make an impact.

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016, 03:25:35 AM
I don't support Trump, and I'm too young to support him anyways, but the reason I'd prefer him over Hillary Clinton is that I don't want a war with Russia or China. Clinton seems like she wants to fight Russia and China (especially China). If we do fight, there will be a draft, and there will be tremendous losses (needless to say.) There will have probably not any major benefits to any side. Trump seems more inclined to negotiation (especially with Russia), for which some of the Clinton-backers make fun of him for. (I saw that they write things such as "Trump kisses Putin's ass".)

Also, since I am part Asian, I would be worse off under Clinton's rule, even without war; as President, she has the power to appoint a Supreme Court justice who will make the college quota for Asians even lower than it is now. The White majority will also be at loss (a smaller one though); some of our chances for college will be given to the Hispanic and Black minority (even though most colleges already are far more lenient to them than Asians.) As you know, I have yet to go to college, so this would affect my life tremendously, for I am neither Black or Hispanic.

Sweetie, Mrs. Clinton is a sweet, honest, peace-loving, friendly, trustworthy old lady who beautiful young women like me can look up to. She cares about all people: whites and blacks, terrorists and non-terrorists, citizens and illegals. So ZIP YO UGLY LIPS.

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #5 on: July 30, 2016, 06:46:00 AM
I don't support Trump, and I'm too young to support him anyways, but the reason I'd prefer him over Hillary Clinton is that I don't want a war with Russia or China.
You think someone who sued the Onion over a joke article is going to be better at negotiation and have more experience than a woman who, aside from having a degree in law from Yale, served as Secretary of State for 8 years?
 
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Clinton seems like she wants to fight Russia and China (especially China). If we do fight, there will be a draft, and there will be tremendous losses (needless to say.)
On what basis do you make this assumption? When has HRC said anything about going to war with them? On the contrary, Trump goes after China all the time and is far more aggressive to them than Hillary is.
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There will have probably not any major benefits to any side. Trump seems more inclined to negotiation (especially with Russia), for which some of the Clinton-backers make fun of him for. (I saw that they write things such as "Trump kisses Putin's ass".)
Again, I pose to you. How does someone who sued Bill Maher for making a joke have any qualifications when it comes to talking things out? The simple fact is that he's a thin skinned narcissist. After the DNC, he said he "wanted to hit those speakers [of the DNC]" because they said mean things about him.
He's literally a child.
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Also, since I am part Asian, I would be worse off under Clinton's rule, even without war; as President, she has the power to appoint a Supreme Court justice who will make the college quota for Asians even lower than it is now.
Firstly, the SCOTUS hardly has much say in such a case; higher education is handled almost exclusively at the state level. Second, I highly doubt that, were the Supreme Court to rule on such a minor issue, that it would either a) rule in the direction which you do not like or b) actually be that big of a change.
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The White majority will also be at loss (a smaller one though); some of our chances for college will be given to the Hispanic and Black minority (even though most colleges already are far more lenient to them than Asians.)
If you think the white majority (which is under no attack, no matter what Fox News might have you believe) is going to suffer because of HRC, please read a book. Or her platform, honestly. You will find no evidence of Hillary Clinton being discriminatory against whites, nor trying to give other races an unfair advantage over whites (as Affirmative Action plans aren't that in the slightest).
 
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As you know, I have yet to go to college,
Ahh, there it is.
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so this would affect my life tremendously, for I am neither Black or Hispanic.
I hardly think that one SC Ruling would really change your life that much. In addition, if that's all you're worried about with HRC, you're against her for all the wrong reasons.
There are many reasons to be against Hillary Clinton. Some include:

- Her terrible voting record
- Horrible foreign policy experience and ideas (Donald Trump is no better, except that he has no experience of any kind)
- Wall Street and big business connections (Shared by Trump; he's in with these guys just as much as Clinton is)
- Lack of willingness to take important steps for the environment, such as banning fracking and/or giving subsidies to alternate energy companies (Trump is even worse, as he thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax)
- The fact that she's only progressive when convenient to her; she voted against gay marriage, called black people "super predators", among other things. (Trump has stated and proposed far worse TODAY, as opposed to in the past).

With all due respect, actually give their platforms a read before saying things that simply aren't true.
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #6 on: July 30, 2016, 06:23:32 PM

There are many reasons to be against Hillary Clinton. Some include:

- Her terrible voting record
- Horrible foreign policy experience and ideas (Donald Trump is no better, except that he has no experience of any kind)
- Wall Street and big business connections (Shared by Trump; he's in with these guys just as much as Clinton is)
- Lack of willingness to take important steps for the environment, such as banning fracking and/or giving subsidies to alternate energy companies (Trump is even worse, as he thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax)
- The fact that she's only progressive when convenient to her; she voted against gay marriage, called black people "super predators", among other things. (Trump has stated and proposed far worse TODAY, as opposed to in the past).

With all due respect, actually give their platforms a read before saying things that simply aren't true.
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Harrison

Your lips are even uglier than Opus43, so ZIP THEM for HEAVEN'S SAKE (or since you're an atheist, for ATHEA'S SAKE).

There is absolutely NO REASON to be against Mrs. Clinton. Those who antagonize Clinton are liars and b!tches. Those who support any candidate other than her have ZERO logic or reasoning capability. So SHUT YOUR UGLY MOUTH AND JUST BE QUIET.

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #7 on: July 30, 2016, 06:25:11 PM
Your lips are even uglier than Opus43, so ZIP THEM for HEAVEN'S SAKE (or since you're an atheist, for ATHEA'S SAKE).

There is absolutely NO REASON to be against Mrs. Clinton. Those who antagonize Clinton are liars and b!tches. Those who support any candidate other than her have ZERO logic or reasoning capability. So SHUT YOUR UGLY MOUTH AND JUST BE QUIET.

Well it seems somebody is getting kinda salty here ;D
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #8 on: July 30, 2016, 06:30:52 PM
You think someone who sued the Onion over a joke article is going to be better at negotiation and have more experience than a woman who, aside from having a degree in law from Yale, served as Secretary of State for 8 years?
 On what basis do you make this assumption? When has HRC said anything about going to war with them? On the contrary, Trump goes after China all the time and is far more aggressive to them than Hillary is.Again, I pose to you. How does someone who sued Bill Maher for making a joke have any qualifications when it comes to talking things out? The simple fact is that he's a thin skinned narcissist. After the DNC, he said he "wanted to hit those speakers [of the DNC]" because they said mean things about him.
He's literally a child.Firstly, the SCOTUS hardly has much say in such a case; higher education is handled almost exclusively at the state level. Second, I highly doubt that, were the Supreme Court to rule on such a minor issue, that it would either a) rule in the direction which you do not like or b) actually be that big of a change.If you think the white majority (which is under no attack, no matter what Fox News might have you believe) is going to suffer because of HRC, please read a book. Or her platform, honestly. You will find no evidence of Hillary Clinton being discriminatory against whites, nor trying to give other races an unfair advantage over whites (as Affirmative Action plans aren't that in the slightest).
 Ahh, there it is.I hardly think that one SC Ruling would really change your life that much. In addition, if that's all you're worried about with HRC, you're against her for all the wrong reasons.
There are many reasons to be against Hillary Clinton. Some include:

- Her terrible voting record
- Horrible foreign policy experience and ideas (Donald Trump is no better, except that he has no experience of any kind)
- Wall Street and big business connections (Shared by Trump; he's in with these guys just as much as Clinton is)
- Lack of willingness to take important steps for the environment, such as banning fracking and/or giving subsidies to alternate energy companies (Trump is even worse, as he thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax)
- The fact that she's only progressive when convenient to her; she voted against gay marriage, called black people "super predators", among other things. (Trump has stated and proposed far worse TODAY, as opposed to in the past).

With all due respect, actually give their platforms a read before saying things that simply aren't true.
Best,
Harrison

I think Clinton also makes similar mistakes; it's just some big media (especially ABC News) tends to hide it. ABC News only shows the mistakes Donald Trump makes and they make it seem like such a big deal. For Hillary Clinton, they make posts that make Clinton seem like the perfect human being.

As an authority in the past, Hillary Clinton has been pushing for wars. I see your point in saying Donald Trump can be unstable, but as he's negotiating with Russia, it seems less likely for him to declare war on them.

Also, to me the college issue is a big deal. I really want to go to a nice college (even though they will be very expensive.) Also, I think you're right about state having lots of impact on the colleges (look at what California is doing with college quotas for Chinese Americans vs. other Asian Americans), but the national government has the power to set laws to limit the amount of Asians in colleges.


But I think Clinton will be president, so no need to hate me for preferring Mr. Trump.  (And excuse my grammar, I am in kind of a rush.)
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #9 on: July 30, 2016, 06:37:25 PM
Your lips are even uglier than Opus43, so ZIP THEM for HEAVEN'S SAKE (or since you're an atheist, for ATHEA'S SAKE).
Aside from the fact that "athea" is not a word, since atheist is made up of two things; "a", meaning not, and "theist", meaning a believer in God, simply because you don't have an argument doesn't mean I'm going to be silent.
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There is absolutely NO REASON to be against Mrs. Clinton. Those who antagonize Clinton are liars and b!tches. Those who support any candidate other than her have ZERO logic or reasoning capability. So SHUT YOUR UGLY MOUTH AND JUST BE QUIET.
Really? You don't find any issue with the fact that she took 625 grand in speaking fees for 6 speeches at Goldman Sachs? You don't find issue that she takes money from Exxon Mobil and then just happens to be for fracking? You don't find issue with the fact that she wants to repeat mistakes such as Iraq by intervening in places such as Libya and Syria?
Anyone who thinks HRC is a true progressive candidate is deluded, as you clearly are.
There are things to like about her; she won't turn back the clock 80 years on social issues, she would appoint a typical SC Justice (she already said she liked Merrick Garland), she's decent on gun reform, decent on police reform, among other things. But she has a lot of baggage of things that couldn't be farther from progressive going with her.

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #10 on: July 30, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
I think Clinton also makes similar mistakes; it's just some big media (especially ABC News) tends to hide it. ABC News only shows the mistakes Donald Trump makes and they make it seem like such a big deal. For Hillary Clinton, they make posts that make Clinton seem like the perfect human being.
I don't think so, honestly. I don't deny that the media really is in favor of Clinton (many media companies are owned by some of her biggest contributors), but I don't think you're going to find anything on Fox News that's praising her. Similarly, on MSNBC, you won't find much in the way of praising Trump; mostly because he doesn't deserve it.

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As an authority in the past, Hillary Clinton has been pushing for wars. I see your point in saying Donald Trump can be unstable, but as he's negotiating with Russia, it seems less likely for him to declare war on them.
I'm completely in agreement that Clinton's foreign policy record is terrible, however, you forget that she would have experience negotiating and enough self control to not completely *** things up. Obama pushed for many of the same wars she did, but he did it in such a way as to not destroy international relations. Again, I wish he hadn't done these wars, but he at least did them with such restraint as to not make us the laughing stock of the world. Trump would not only push for all of these wars (and the fact that he's buddy buddy with Russia is really something I admire), he praises leaders like Putin and late Saddam Hussein.

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Also, to me the college issue is a big deal. I really want to go to a nice college (even though they will be very expensive.) Also, I think you're right about state having lots of impact on the colleges (look at what California is doing with college quotas for Chinese Americans vs. other Asian Americans), but the national government has the power to set laws to limit the amount of Asians in colleges.
But there is little to no incentive for them to do so. There isn't a pressing issue right now of minority groups being disproportionately accepted into universities based on their minority status.

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But I think Clinton will be president, so no need to hate me for preferring Mr. Trump.  (And excuse my grammar, I am in kind of a rush.)
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #11 on: July 30, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
I prefer my eggs scrambled.

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Reply #12 on: July 30, 2016, 07:45:04 PM
I don't think so, honestly. I don't deny that the media really is in favor of Clinton (many media companies are owned by some of her biggest contributors), but I don't think you're going to find anything on Fox News that's praising her. Similarly, on MSNBC, you won't find much in the way of praising Trump; mostly because he doesn't deserve it.
I'm completely in agreement that Clinton's foreign policy record is terrible, however, you forget that she would have experience negotiating and enough self control to not completely *** things up. Obama pushed for many of the same wars she did, but he did it in such a way as to not destroy international relations. Again, I wish he hadn't done these wars, but he at least did them with such restraint as to not make us the laughing stock of the world. Trump would not only push for all of these wars (and the fact that he's buddy buddy with Russia is really something I admire), he praises leaders like Putin and late Saddam Hussein.
But there is little to no incentive for them to do so. There isn't a pressing issue right now of minority groups being disproportionately accepted into universities based on their minority status.
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #13 on: July 30, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
to get back on track a little... I am an American citizen now (originally Scottish) and well over the voting age.  Am I planning to vote for Mr. Trump?  A qualified "maybe".  I will assuredly not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, however.

I consider three factors when thinking about voting for someone.  First, and foremost, their personal ethics and integrity.  While neither of the main candidates stacks up very well, I regret to say that from all I can find out, Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in that regard -- which eliminates her from the running in my book right away.  Second, their apparent fitness and qualifications for the post (just as I would a new hire, by the way!).  That is very difficult to judge of the two principal candidates.  Third, a combination of what do they say, and how likely is it that they mean what they say (a variant on the old "how can you tell if a politician is lying?  His (or her) lips are moving...).  Of the two main candidates, again it is a toss up -- the one says things which I am somewhat more likely to agree with, but seems to have difficulty keeping a constant position, while the other I can't agree with on most points, and also swings with the breezes, but not, perhaps as much.

Had Mr. Sanders managed to survive the Democratic National Committee's coronation fest, I would have voted for him -- not because I agree with him, as I don't on most points, but because he is honest and ethical to the core, and means what he says and sticks to it, but is reasonable about listening to differing points of view. 
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #14 on: July 30, 2016, 09:15:59 PM
Hey Ian.
You say:
  "Am I planning to vote for Mr. Trump?  A qualified "maybe".  I will assuredly not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, however."
Which i would posit Is a vote for Trump.
You talk about whether they mean what they say.  This is what scares me about Trump.  I believe he does, and so much more… into the Blackest of holes..
As a Bernie supporter, i sincerely hope she is pressured to hold to the agreed upon platform adopted by the Dems.  Constant public pressure is the only way. 
Scariest of times...
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Reply #15 on: July 30, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Hey Ian.
You say:
  "Am I planning to vote for Mr. Trump?  A qualified "maybe".  I will assuredly not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, however."
Which i would posit Is a vote for Trump.
You talk about whether they mean what they say.  This is what scares me about Trump.  I believe he does, and so much more… into the Blackest of holes..
As a Bernie supporter, i sincerely hope she is pressured to hold to the agreed upon platform adopted by the Dems.  Constant public pressure is the only way. 
Scariest of times...
Not necessarily.  In my State, it is possible to write in a candidate, and it is quite likely that I will write in Bernie -- if I vote at all.  There is some question as to that, since the election of Mrs. Clinton in this State at least has already been bought and paid for by Mrs. Clinton and her Wall Street (and foreign) friends, so there is some question as to why bother.

And I agree -- some of Mr. Trump's positions are rather scary!

You hope that Mrs. Clinton will hold the agreed on platform.  Optimist...  she'll go for the money, every time, without worrying about where it came from or why except to make sure she provides the "donor" what they asked for.

On the other hand, I could still be in the UK, and contemplating Mr. Corbyn, or France, and Marine LePen.

As you say, scariest of times.
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Reply #16 on: July 30, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
to get back on track a little... I am an American citizen now (originally Scottish) and well over the voting age.  Am I planning to vote for Mr. Trump?  A qualified "maybe".  I will assuredly not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, however.

I consider three factors when thinking about voting for someone.  First, and foremost, their personal ethics and integrity.  While neither of the main candidates stacks up very well, I regret to say that from all I can find out, Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in that regard -- which eliminates her from the running in my book right away.  Second, their apparent fitness and qualifications for the post (just as I would a new hire, by the way!).  That is very difficult to judge of the two principal candidates.  Third, a combination of what do they say, and how likely is it that they mean what they say (a variant on the old "how can you tell if a politician is lying?  His (or her) lips are moving...).  Of the two main candidates, again it is a toss up -- the one says things which I am somewhat more likely to agree with, but seems to have difficulty keeping a constant position, while the other I can't agree with on most points, and also swings with the breezes, but not, perhaps as much.

Had Mr. Sanders managed to survive the Democratic National Committee's coronation fest, I would have voted for him -- not because I agree with him, as I don't on most points, but because he is honest and ethical to the core, and means what he says and sticks to it, but is reasonable about listening to differing points of view.  

Ian,  Welcome to America!  Thank you for your post.  I only ask questions here.

You say: Am I planning to vote for Mr. Trump?  A qualified "maybe".  I will assuredly not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, however.  

Even though you are not technically a Trump supporter at this time, I hope you don’t mind if I ask a follow up question.

You say: First, and foremost, their personal ethics and integrity.  While neither of the main candidates stacks up very well, I regret to say that from all I can find out, Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in that regard -- which eliminates her from the running in my book right away.

My question: Will you please list the top THREE specific issues in your mind (example, her private email server) that leads you to believe that Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in regard to personal ethics and integrity?  Thank you if you choose to respond.  

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Reply #17 on: July 30, 2016, 11:34:31 PM
I consider three factors when thinking about voting for someone.  First, and foremost, their personal ethics and integrity.  While neither of the main candidates stacks up very well, I regret to say that from all I can find out, Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in that regard -- which eliminates her from the running in my book right away.
The alternative is a candidate who, aside from smearing every minority in the country, has paid his workers here and abroad either below minimum wage or nothing at all on multiple occasions.
Hillary isn't a wonderful person, you're correct, but Trump is no better and a lot worse.
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Second, their apparent fitness and qualifications for the post (just as I would a new hire, by the way!).  That is very difficult to judge of the two principal candidates.
Hardly. Trump has no gov't experience; Clinton, by contrast, has been a senator, a First Lady, and a Secretary of state. Trump's "experience"? Bankrupting businesses and running out the back door with all the money; check out his atlantic city casinos.
 
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Third, a combination of what do they say, and how likely is it that they mean what they say (a variant on the old "how can you tell if a politician is lying?  His (or her) lips are moving...).  Of the two main candidates, again it is a toss up -- the one says things which I am somewhat more likely to agree with, but seems to have difficulty keeping a constant position, while the other I can't agree with on most points, and also swings with the breezes, but not, perhaps as much.
Both candidates are a wash on this issue. Trump changes his mind on things every 5 seconds ("We'll bomb the hell out of ISIS! (. . .) Stay out of the Middle East." "People aren't gonna die in the streets! (. . .) We need more competition in our healthcare system.")

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Had Mr. Sanders managed to survive the Democratic National Committee's coronation fest, I would have voted for him -- not because I agree with him, as I don't on most points, but because he is honest and ethical to the core, and means what he says and sticks to it, but is reasonable about listening to differing points of view. 
I completely agree. Of all the candidates to run this year, Sanders is by far the most honest (and even Republicans agree).

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Reply #18 on: July 31, 2016, 12:21:48 AM
Ian,  Welcome to America!  Thank you for your post.  I only ask questions here.

You say: Am I planning to vote for Mr. Trump?  A qualified "maybe".  I will assuredly not be voting for Mrs. Clinton, however.  

Even though you are not technically a Trump supporter at this time, I hope you don’t mind if I ask a follow up question.

You say: First, and foremost, their personal ethics and integrity.  While neither of the main candidates stacks up very well, I regret to say that from all I can find out, Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in that regard -- which eliminates her from the running in my book right away.

My question: Will you please list the top THREE specific issues in your mind (example, her private email server) that leads you to believe that Mrs. Clinton rates a zero in regard to personal ethics and integrity?  Thank you if you choose to respond.  


Ian,  In addition to my original question to you shown above, here are a few other questions that you may choose to answer that will help me understand your position.   You may be the type that does not enjoy answering questions.   I will completely understand if this is the case.  We are all like that to some extent.  We may have a little trouble communicating though because I only ask questions here.  ;)

Is your personal ethics and integrity scale a scale from 0 to 10?  If zero is the bottom of your scale, are you saying that Hillary Clinton is the least trustworthy person on earth?  Where do you listen to or get your news?  Fox?  MSNBC?  CNN?  What do you think of president Obama’s personal ethics and integrity?  

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #19 on: July 31, 2016, 01:12:17 AM
The alternative is a candidate who, aside from smearing every minority in the country, has pt waid his workers here and abroad either below minimum wage or nothing at all on multiple occasions.


I hope I don't annoy you, but are Asians not a minority?
I'm sorry, I don't check the news very much (and much of what I see is from recent ABC News, which is extremely pro-Clinton.) Could you please (if you feel like it and when you have time) send me links on when he insulted Asians or African-Americans?  Thanks and I apologize if I've annoyed you in any way. I'm not trying to be stubborn or one of those annoying kids who talk back to their superiors, but I just want to catch up on what's going on. Thanks!
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #20 on: July 31, 2016, 01:24:13 AM
Georgey -- I don't mind answering some questions... but there are some limits.  However -- cite three specific instances which give me pause regarding Mrs. Clinton's personal integrity?  It would be difficult to point to three specific instances.  Rather, it is a matter of an overall record -- accumulated over many years -- of an apparent disdain for anything which gets in her way.  The e-mail thing?  Not so much, really, that specifically, but rather her responses to it.  But that is just one example?

And no, there are other people on earth who might rate a 0 on a scale of 0 through 10.  That's no excuse!
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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #21 on: July 31, 2016, 01:31:23 AM
Georgey -- I don't mind answering some questions... but there are some limits.  However -- cite three specific instances which give me pause regarding Mrs. Clinton's personal integrity?  It would be difficult to point to three specific instances.  Rather, it is a matter of an overall record -- accumulated over many years -- of an apparent disdain for anything which gets in her way.  The e-mail thing?  Not so much, really, that specifically, but rather her responses to it.  But that is just one example?

And no, there are other people on earth who might rate a 0 on a scale of 0 through 10.  That's no excuse!

I think that should do it for me.  Thank you!

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 01:35:16 AM
I think that should do it for me.  Thank you!


Oops.  Just these 2 that were missed if you want to answer.  These are my last questions to you.

Where do you listen to or get your news?  Fox?  MSNBC?  CNN?  What do you think of president Obama’s personal ethics and integrity?  


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I think that should do it for me.  Thank you!

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Re: Friendly discussion with Donald Trump supporters
Reply #23 on: July 31, 2016, 04:37:10 PM
This is my last post to this thread.  Thank you for all that participated!!!!  I enjoyed reading each of the responses!  Just some final thoughts for me:

Except in rare instances, such as talking with family members or close friends, it is impossible to sway someone’s political opinions in any way with discussion (in my opinion and experience).

A vote made by each of the following people counts the same in a US presidential election:
Someone who when asked why did you vote for a candidate, they say: “I don’t know, my mom voted for him though.”  Or they say: “I just can’t stand the way person “A” looks so I voted for person “B”.  Or they say: “I think he is the right person for our country.  He will get things done.”
Someone who flips a coin to make their decision in a voting booth.
Someone with only a 5th grade education.  
Someone with a doctors degrees in philosophy and US history.
Someone who spends  30 minutes studying the issues.
Someone who spends  3000 hours  studying the issues.
Someone who does not understand economics 101 and yet votes for a candidate based only on economic issues.
Someone with an illogical thought process
Someone who is very logical
Someone with an IQ of 140
Someone with bad eyesight that pulls the wrong lever in the voting booth.

How about the following:  An issues test is given before voting.  If you can demonstrate that you understand the issues, your vote counts double?  I heard a republican say that votes should count the same as your net worth in dollars.  You have $1 billion dollars, you get 1 billion votes.

My answer after thinking this through with an open mind:  1 vote per person and each vote counts the same, regardless of reason for making the vote.  Everyone should be given an equal opportunity to vote.  Everyone should make an effort to listen to all candidates with an open mind and to study the issues, but this is not a requirement.

US CITIZENS OF VOTING AGE: HAPPY VOTING THIS PRESIDIENTIAL ELECTION AND MAY THE BEST MAN OR WOMAN WIN!  :)  ;)  ;D
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