works for lefthand, not for lefthand alone?

[isyriel]

Hi,

im looking for works that work on lefthand teachnique, but arent for the lefthand alone.

i realize since im focusing on lefthand technique i shouldnt worry about having a right hand part, but there arent many righthand focused etudes without left hand soooo ...

anyways, ive browsed through godowsky etudes, and all the typical ones like rach preludes op23 no1,2,5 MM 2,4.  scriabin etudes, chopin, bortkiewicz, saint saens. 
what other works are there. 

(i know there are more than a couple threads on this left hand technique thing but they tend to veer towards lefthand alone so i thought id ask again)

[dogperson]

Why does Chopin Etude 10 no 12 not get you what you are asking for??   

[visitor]

Why does Chopin Etude 10 no 12 not get you what you are asking for??  

i am working on a post to link to a technique class that addresses a lot of common issues or questions, heck i downloadd the discussion so i can review it again.

in the meantime  your are correct there is ample opportunity in the std etudes.

for op and others so inclined. This set of studies as variants of chopin op 10 is ignored too much.  this ingeniously did what likely others did in practice in some other form or fashion, he swapped the rh and lh a re arranged

i  have been on a sort of re done chopin by people other than chipin lately so here it is, been  available on std interwebs hiding places a while but you had to know you were looking  for it specifically to find easily.

[anamnesis]

i am working on a post to link to a technique class that addresses a lot of common issues or questions, heck i downloadd the discussion so i can review it again.

in the meantime  your are correct there is ample opportunity in the std etudes.

for op and others so inclined. This set of studies as variants of chopin op 10 is ignored too much.  this ingeniously did what likely others did in practice in some other form or fashion, he swapped the rh and lh a re arranged

i  have been on a sort of re done chopin by people other than chipin lately so here it is, been  available on std interwebs hiding places a while but you had to know you were looking  for it specifically to find easily.

Those just seem to be strict or nearly symmetrical/mirror inversions rather that an actual musical reworking like the Godowsky set, and others I've seen.    

I do them a lot, but you shouldn't need a written score to do them, in fact you won't get nearly as much benefit from reading them rather than working them out yourself on sight/mentally.

Once you get the hang of it, it's actually easier than transposing on sight.  It's useful when working on specific passages, but they aren't really worth the time to learn as a whole because they just seem to be almost strict symmetrical inversions.   

[visitor]

Those just seem to be strict or nearly symmetrical/mirror inversions rather that an actual musical reworking like the Godowsky set, and others I've seen.    

I do them a lot, but you shouldn't need a written score to do them, in fact you won't get nearly as much benefit from reading them rather than working them out yourself on sight/mentally.

Once you get the hang of it, it's actually easier than transposing on sight.  It's useful when working on specific passages, but they aren't really worth the time to learn as a whole because they just seem to be almost strict symmetrical inversions.  

totally agree. i'm a fan of devising one's own exercises derived from the originals. they're neat for those that need scores though some folks just process info on them, but you are correct and the title states as such that they are inversions/inverted variants and not  'studies on' or etude based on themes of , or similar.

but op did ask for " lefthand teachnique, but arent for the lefthand alone" and those met that criteria

[isyriel]

i am working on a post to link to a technique class that addresses a lot of common issues or questions, heck i downloadd the discussion so i can review it again.

in the meantime  your are correct there is ample opportunity in the std etudes.

for op and others so inclined. This set of studies as variants of chopin op 10 is ignored too much.  this ingeniously did what likely others did in practice in some other form or fashion, he swapped the rh and lh a re arranged

i  have been on a sort of re done chopin by people other than chipin lately so here it is, been  available on std interwebs hiding places a while but you had to know you were looking  for it specifically to find easily.

i never thought of directly switching hands... as for doing it on sight my mental capacity is about the size of a peanut so thats gonna need some work, but these are amazing!  thanks a bunch  

[henselt1]

 
  One of my favourite Lh solo melody pieces is Chopin's Etude op 10 no 4. Very moving Lh melodic line with some impressive fast chromatic runs.

[gore234]

Czerny op. 740 numbers 12, 37, 41, 23 deal with the left hand.

Numbers 2, 31, 45, 48, 49 also have some good left hand ideas.
There is some more but I forgot what numbers they were.

Moritz Moszkowski also had several left hand etudes. Etude No.2 in G minor, op.72 is one of my favorites.

[worov]

Have a look here :

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=62103.msg665354#msg665354

[arda152]

    Scriabin op. 42 no. 5 and Chopin op. 10 nos. 9, 12 come to my mind as suggestions. However, I've read post by legendary Bernhard once, that suggested a pretty interesting way to increase left hand agility.

Finally, most people experience problems with the left hand because they do not have the habit of using it in an integrated, co-ordinated way in their daily lives.

Consider the way you cut a steak with knife and fork. Most people (yes, I ask these questions from people Wink) tell me they do it with their hands. But actually they do it with their arms.

When it comes  to piano playing, beginners will be all right on the right hand since they are using the whole arm in a coordinated way to play. But the left hand is used only form the hand down. Since people are not used to total left side co-ordination, they do not use it when playing the piano.

There are two ways of fixing this. First, start to use your left hand - or should I say -  the left side a lot in daily life (e.g., when brushing teeth, when opening doors, when washing dishes, when moving stuff - you get the idea). Second get an inverted piano (they are expensive, but they exist!). these pianos are built so that the treble is left and the bass is right. This means that you can play a piece with your left hand playing the treble part and the right hand playing the bass part. The perfect solution, even if you do not hate Bach!

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