Semi-unheard of Piano Concertos...

[perfect_pitch]

Thanks visitor... I won't listen to it tonight, as I have to head to bed in 10, but will listen to it tomorrow night.

Thanks for posting yet another lovely concerto to this ever growing list.

Don't suppose you know anything about the concerto I'm looking for?

I've heard a rather nice piano concerto recently but the name completely escapes me. I think it's in c sharp minor (or possibly d minor?), and the initial melody (if my memory serves) goes like this (sol-fah):

l'   m   d  tldml'd'   r'   m'   t'  d'r'   l'   f  mrfl't'd'   si   l'

[visitor]

Thanks visitor... I won't listen to it tonight, as I have to head to bed in 10, but will listen to it tomorrow night.

Thanks for posting yet another lovely concerto to this ever growing list.

Don't suppose you know anything about the concerto I'm looking for?

darn I wish i could hear in my head what you describe x I may have hard it as many as I've listened to but I need aural memory help to be certain (

[visitor]

Krassimir Kyurkchiyski
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[visitor]

Krassimir Kyurkchiyski
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also this is lovely and was new to me,  or a concerto per say but concertoish at times more of a short rhapsody,  really pretty stuff and shes good pianost
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Risto Laur. Tudruk ja draakon (“The Girl and the Dragon”)

[thalbergmad]

A Grieg like concerto by the Dutch pianist/composer Willem Andriessen.

Thal

[perfect_pitch]

Thanks everyone for still keeping this thread up to date with new concerti - I find some of them very fascinating. Listening to Andriessen right now.

[opus10no2]

Wonderful thread!

Of all of these concerti - which are the greatest and have the best chance of entering standard repertoire over time?

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I think that Ginastera No. 1 (though No. 2 is my fav) and Barber are decent bets for entering the standard repertoire, at some point.  Moszkowski is another.  Tchaikovsky No. 2 has that beautiful trio in the second movement, it's overlooked.

Unrelated:

[perfect_pitch]

Wonderful thread!

Of all of these concerti - which are the greatest and have the best chance of entering standard repertoire over time?

Henselt - f minor. Why That isn't already in the standard, is beyond me. It's brilliantly written and has a 2nd movement that could bring a Mass-murderer to tears through it's beauty.

[thalbergmad]

Henselt - f minor. Why That isn't already in the standard, is beyond me. It's brilliantly written and has a 2nd movement that could bring a Mass-murderer to tears through it's beauty.

I think there would be a limited amount of piamists who could do it justice really, mechanically and musically.

It is horridly difficult.

Thal

[ronde_des_sylphes]

I think there would be a limited amount of piamists who could do it justice really, mechanically and musically.

It is horridly difficult.

Thal

I more or less agree with this - I did have a bit of a look at it a while back. Interpretatively I think it more or less is a matter of doing what should come naturally if you're familiar with this sort of repertoire; technically it's harder than it sounds, it's tiring, and the start of the last movement is bloody awkward in the lh.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Have a totally unknown romantic piano concerto..

One day someone helpful will find a free orchestra

[ted]

Thanks for posting the score. I had heard it a number of times but, given that I haven't bothered with notation for ages, I was surprised how much more I got out of it through viewing the score. I think this is because it clarifies the personal playing forms, i.e. what your hands are doing during your music, something by no means readily discernible while listening. But why I should find this interesting I have absolutely no idea, a clue to the mechanisms of your improvisation perhaps.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Thanks for posting the score. I had heard it a number of times but, given that I haven't bothered with notation for ages, I was surprised how much more I got out of it through viewing the score. I think this is because it clarifies the personal playing forms, i.e. what your hands are doing during your music, something by no means readily discernible while listening. But why I should find this interesting I have absolutely no idea, a clue to the mechanisms of your improvisation perhaps.

Possibly seeing the score assists in seeing some of the structure. I'm not sure! It will clarify the (typically accompanimental) figurations. I would love to perform it with orchestra; it would add a lot to the whole.

[thalbergmad]

Have a totally unknown romantic piano concerto..

One day someone helpful will find a free orchestra

Bravo dear fellow, i am very impressed and i have thus far only heard the first movement.

A nice mixture of early, middle and late romantic configurations. Thalberg, Bortkiewicz and even Addinsell flashed into my mind.

I love the sweeping majestic concertos.

Thal

[georgey]

Have a totally unknown romantic piano concerto..

One day someone helpful will find a free orchestra

Great romantic concerto!  I enjoyed all movements!  Last movement reminded me of Liszt Totentanz.  It appears that you borrowed from his work?  What were you main inspirations in writing this work?

Also, great live performance.  Congratulations!

[ahinton]

A nice mixture of early, middle and late romantic configurations. Thalberg, Bortkiewicz and even Addinsell flashed into my mind.

I'm hardly susprised about the last of these three, since the passage commencing at bar 36 is almost a direct lift from his Warsaw Concerto which was orchestrated by Roy Douglas (1907-2015) and written for use in the 1941 movie Dangerous Moonlight. The background to its deliberate sub-Rachmaninovian gestures is revealed in a Wiki article that tells us

"The concerto was not part of the original plan. According to Roy Douglas, at that time orchestrator for all of Addinsell's scores: "The film's director had originally wanted to use Sergei Rachmaninoff's Second Piano Concerto, but this idea was either forbidden by the copyright owners or was far too expensive". Thus Addinsell wanted the piece to sound as much like Rachmaninoff as possible, and Douglas remembers, "while I was orchestrating the Warsaw Concerto I had around me the miniature scores of the Second and Third Piano Concertos, as well as the Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini." And although it is at the heart of Dangerous Moonlight, the Concerto is never performed complete but rather revealed piecemeal. The opening of the work is heard when the two protagonists meet, and it is further developed when they are on their honeymoon. Finally, in the only extended concert sequence, we are given the closing section. But its use is not restricted to scenes with the "composer" at the piano. The themes are found as underscoring throughout the film, and in this way a brief concert piece gains a dramatic resonance that belies its small scale."

Rachmaninoff died a couple of years after the movie's release but I have no idea if he ever heard the piece, still less what he might have thought of it...

Best,

Alistair

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Bravo dear fellow, i am very impressed and i have thus far only heard the first movement.

A nice mixture of early, middle and late romantic configurations. Thalberg, Bortkiewicz and even Addinsell flashed into my mind.

I love the sweeping majestic concertos.

Thal

Thanks, and yeah, there are certainly some allusions in this piece. I see Alistair has noticed one

I'm hardly susprised about the last of these three, since the passage commencing at bar 36 is almost a direct lift from his Warsaw Concerto which was orchestrated by Roy Douglas (1907-2015) and written for use in the 1941 movie Dangerous Moonlight.

Yes, I've played the Warsaw Concerto, so I was actually very careful when the motif popped into my head to check that it's not quite harmonically identical! It is exceedingly reminiscent though. It's curious how much unconscious and semiconscious musical magpie-ism crops up; in a similar vein from bar 136 (3.13) has a hint of the Rachmaninov Elegie, and from bar 189 (5.16) could easily be a reference to Funerailles..

Great romantic concerto!  I enjoyed all movements!  Last movement reminded me of Liszt Totentanz.  It appears that you borrowed from his work?  What were you main inspirations in writing this work?

I've not borrowed from it per se, just used the Dies Irae and written variants around it in quite a Lisztian manner. Perhaps I'm not the best judge of such matters, but the piece was written somewhat more analytically than when I've written paraphases; the two falling motives (bar 1, bar 36 of the first movement) are recycled in miultiple ways throughout the piece (e.g. from bar 166 in the first movement, from bar 10 of the second movement.) I like the last movement the most; it's the most dramatic and there's a definite Hell/Heaven or death/life vibe to it - I intentionally used the Tristan chord during the transformation passage and there's some definitely some kind of programmatic aspect to the movement. Glad you liked it

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[perfect_pitch]

Listening to it right now, visitor.

I'll admit, there's a reason some piano concerto's make it to the all-time favourites, and why some don't. For me, I love the ones that really reach the pinnacle of emotional and harmonic saturation, that bombard you with notes that boil up inside your blood and keep you gagging for the next note like a cliff-hangar episode.

For me, Moszkowski E Major, Hummel a minor (3rd movement), and Henselts f minor do that to me.

This one doesn't, but it was fun to listen to.

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[perfect_pitch]

Thought I'd try once more - figured someone might know this.

Anyone know this concerto? The main thematic material is attached... it starts roughly like this in the strings, before the piano plays it as big gigantic chords.

[perfect_pitch]

Greetings lads (and ladies)...

I've heard a rather nice piano concerto recently but the name completely escapes me. I think it's in c sharp minor (or possibly d minor?), and the initial melody (if my memory serves) goes like this (sol-fah):

l'   m   d  tldml'd'   r'   m'   t'  d'r'   l'   f  mrfl't'd'   si   l'

Anyone got any clues?

FINALLY SOLVED IT!!!

[thalbergmad]

The Schytte is a beast. It must be completely exhausting.

I recall the pianist Oleg Marshev saying it was the most demanding concerto he had played, and he has played all the Rachmaninov and Medtner concerti.

Regretfully, i do not think it is going to get a great deal of performances.

Thal

[visitor]

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have-sees a listenz to dis, me thinx you'll likes
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the visitor

[perfect_pitch]

Ahhh Visitor - you know me so well.

Thank you for that delightful piece of music. It's quite remarkable.

[dogperson]

Ahhh Visitor - you know me so well.

Thank you for that delightful piece of music. It's quite remarkable.

Visitor has my number(again) as well... wonderful😊

[goldentone]

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the visitor

Hi Visitor, thought I'd chime in.  It sounds interesting.  I've listened to half so far, will return.  She's has admirable chops.  Some years back I printed out some Arensky, thinking I might put him on the map.  Maybe we could play a duet? 

[pianoworthy]

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[perfect_pitch]

Not bad... I've heard of Atterberg before, and it's... interesting.

[pianoworthy]

Really like Atterburg's piano concerto, compared to his other works. The rest of his output tends to bore me for some reason, though it's very well written music. Sixth symphony is maybe worth a listen.

The piano concerto I like quite a bit though. Unfortunately, there's only two performances I could ever find, and the second one is not all that good (it's performed with students, there's a video available on youtube).

[visitor]

Hi Visitor, thought I'd chime in.  It sounds interesting.  I've listened to half so far, will return.  She's has admirable chops.  Some years back I printed out some Arensky, thinking I might put him on the map.  Maybe we could play a duet? 

glad to hear you chime in! I love the work and agree Arensky is worth dusting off and presenting, sadly he gets pushed aside so much ,  but i agree very much should be on the map and highlighted!
duets are dope. i'd be down!

Arvo Pärt: Credo for chorus, orchestra and solo piano

here's a really lovely one and not one you'd easily uncover if you went looking for concertos but it sorta fits and it's really nice, especially given how 'modern' it is for its composition date, yes it has acrid spots but we do get some rest stops for our ears throughout and it's super interesting what he does, especailly if we compare it to say Beethoven Op 80 (similar composition of ensemble and core instrumentation)

IN MEMORIAM
NELSON ROLIHLAHLA MANDELA
18 July 1918 - 5 December 2013

"But I say to you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you."
Matthew  5:44

Arvo Pärt
(b. 1935)

Credo for chorus, orchestra and solo piano
(1968)

Hélène Grimaud, piano
Swedish Radio Choir
Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra
Esa-Pekka Salonen, conductor

[visitor]

me *hearts 'dis

Schubert's Fantasy for piano 4H arranged for piano and orchestra by my boi Kabalevksy

[perfect_pitch]

Mmm... interesting, will listen to the full thing for sure. I do love the piano 4 hands, but this is intriguing.

[visitor]

:-]
 

by one of the most talented and important but forgotten . If Brahms had been Russian, yeah sort of feel would've been him. yep.

[perfect_pitch]

I'll definitely listen to it later when I have more time...

...but I'm so glad people are still contributing to this thread. I hope others are discovering some amazing music that may have passed them by.

[thalbergmad]

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The sweeping majestic kind.

Thal

[visitor]

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The sweeping majestic kind.

Thal

excellent.!!!!.

this one's cool

Rostislav Boiko (1931-2002) : "Gypsy Rhapsody" for piano and orchestra (1977)

[pencilart3]

Maybe my favorite piano concerto.

[pianoworthy]

Technically not a piano concerto, but Liszt Malediction for piano and strings is quite good. Written in 1833, I think Liszt was way ahead of his time with this one, and probably he realized that too which is why he didn't publish it. There's a few versions with sheet music on youtube, but imo this version is much better.

[perfect_pitch]

Maybe my favorite piano concerto.

This I can also vouch for. I've been a fan of this for years. I'd like to think this wasn't too unheard of, but definitely worth posting.

[pianoworthy]

Moszkowski's Op. 3 concerto is worth checking out as well I think. Not as good as his E major, but full of Romantic goodness. Reminds me a lot of Brahms' first concerto.

[pencilart3]

This I can also vouch for. I've been a fan of this for years. I'd like to think this wasn't too unheard of, but definitely worth posting.

Yes absolutely. Have you played it or portions of it?

[perfect_pitch]

I'll admit, its the 2nd piano concerto on my MUST PLAY list (after Rachmaninoff's 3rd of course), but it looks just as bloody hard as the Rach 3 in some places.

[pencilart3]

Totally! Shoot me a message or email or something if you do ever play it. I'd love to listen.

[perfect_pitch]

Well, I am learning Rach 3 now... so maybe my goal after 2020 will be to tackle another concerto.

[pianoworthy]

Medtner's first concerto is not very well known (like most of Medtner's music). Definitely worth a listen

[lukejknudsen]

Serge Lancen's Parade Concerto for Piano and Wind Ensemble

[perfect_pitch]

Thanks Luke - again, another concerto I had never heard off, but like the sound of.

[pianoworthy]

Concerto Macabre by Bernard Hermann. Composed for a film, but stands alone quite well.