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Offline yumaisch

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Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
on: February 13, 2018, 08:14:21 AM
So I am having a concert next Monday and I am going to play mozarts sonata k 457! I have extrem stage fright and actually hate performing because I always forget my piece when I am performing!
It's like I can see my hands playing but I don't know which note to play!
I would say:" i know which key to press but not which note to play"
And if I slip or play a wrong note I get completely of and can't come back in!
Does anyone know what I can do against that? So that that doesn't happen!?
Thanks for the answers!
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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
Hello yumaisch,,

I guess you're going to hate my answer, but there is little you can do within a week. That being said:

There are two problems to address, one is stage fright, the other is memorization. It also could be that the one is causing the other, something to keep in mind.

You have to evaluate the stage fright issue, how severe it is, and if it might be part of a bigger problem. Maybe a psychologist can prove to be helpful in developing a long-term strategy following the principle of exposure therapy.(gradually facing your fears, until you overcome them)

About memorization, I have my own method that works very effectively for me. I can't guarantee though that it is the right one for you as well. You divide the piece into small sections ( 1-2 lines) and put letters A,B,C etc. Learn to play from any letter without the score. Then have someone test you,  or text yourself by writing the letters on small papers, shuffle them and pick one, play it, then check.

Wish you the best of luck
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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 04:39:07 PM
"It's like I can see my hands playing but I don't know which note to play!"
I'm wondering if you are watching your hands the whole way thru..
If you are, you might try only glancing down at hands when necessary - (where there are jumps..)
A 'felt' memory can be quite  strong… (maybe stronger than sight).  
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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 05:55:09 PM
"i know which key to press but not which note to play"


And if I slip or play a wrong note I get completely of and can't come back in!

Those are classic issues when you are relying too much on muscle memory. I would definitely work on your memorization skills to the point where you can recite in your mind the structure and harmonic changes and perhaps even be able to write down the score all from memory. It takes more work, but will be that much more secure when you are performing. If something stops you mid performance you can understand exactly where you left off. It really helps to be able to start from many spots in the piece and the best way to be able to do that is to know the evolution of the changes and the overall structure of the piece.

Given your limited time, I would focus most on the issue of memorization over stage fright. Stage fright is something that just takes time. In my opinion, the best way address it is just to keep performing. It might never go away but should get easier over time. Good luck.

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 06:23:31 PM
i can only answer how I would handle situation if i were in your shoes
1. I would seek to reschedule the performance to a later date to allow for issues to be addressed with more effective solutions albeit needing more time
2. I would play it with music and not do by memory if the date cannot be changed.
3. short of the above 2, the only other alternative is as others said work on memorization but ALSO, you need at lest 3-4 mock performances to work out the jitters, play for friends, strangers in lobby or nursing home, record yourself, but make sure you let people know you are recording so you are on the hook to send recording, better yet, live stream, so it mimicks performance even more
4. make sure you get at least 1, preferably 2 rehearsal sessions on the actual piano you will perform on, the last one you do before performance, make it performance conditions, same time of day, wear same/similar clothes you will wear that day, etc. better even yet, live stream/record that one so it's a true dress rehearsal vs practicing.
5. get plenty of sleep night before, do some non music relaxing activity day of, the more relaxes you are the better it'll go, very little practice day of, just a run through and play little spots.

BONUS: you need to create at least 2 or 3 memory stations, places that if/when catastrophic lapse occurs you don't just stop playing, you immediately skip forward (backward is discouraged and starting over especially so), to the next station and proceed.

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #5 on: February 17, 2018, 11:53:56 PM
So I am having a concert next Monday and I am going to play mozarts sonata k 457! I have extrem stage fright and actually hate performing because I always forget my piece when I am performing!
It's like I can see my hands playing but I don't know which note to play!
I would say:" i know which key to press but not which note to play"
And if I slip or play a wrong note I get completely of and can't come back in!
Does anyone know what I can do against that? So that that doesn't happen!?
Thanks for the answers!

Please use the search engine at the upper right hand corner of this page to reference my thoughts on this subject (which I have been trolled and formally derided for mentioning this before).  Type in louispodesta, and then it will list all of my posts.

Thank you for having the true courage to bare your soul.  If you cannot resolve this particular  problem through these steps, then you may inquire by Private Message.  As a hint, I will tell you that when you experience stage fright, you (nor anyone else) has performance memory.

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #6 on: February 18, 2018, 12:26:38 AM
So I am having a concert next Monday and I am going to play mozarts sonata k 457! I have extrem stage fright and actually hate performing because I always forget my piece when I am performing!
It's like I can see my hands playing but I don't know which note to play!
I would say:" i know which key to press but not which note to play"
And if I slip or play a wrong note I get completely of and can't come back in!
Does anyone know what I can do against that? So that that doesn't happen!?
Thanks for the answers!


If performing is uncomfortable to you, why perform ?  You can still enjoy your music without having to perform as a requirement. Not being able to come back in is a result of not enough practice or not enough practice in a way that you know the piece so well you can slip and get right back in.

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 04:34:57 AM
I think it'd help if you stopped forgetting!

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #8 on: February 19, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
Let me copy paste something from my private blog (this was in January 2016), where I describe my personal memorization technique (I was influenced by Chang's book at this period; though I disagree with a lot of what he says about technique, I found his chapter on memorization very useful):

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There are 5 types of memory a pianist uses: Hand memory (muscle memory), Music memory (the music tells you what to play next lol it’s really efficient), Keyboard memory (the ACTIVE remembering of what keys you’re about to hit - a litmus test if you can see a piano in your head and see the notes being played in your head, also known as mental play), Theory memory (memorizing structure/shape/harmony of the music), and finally Photographic memory (of the sheet music). The last one is a spawn of the 3 before it.

All of these memories are very closely related, though to go between them, you must do according to the arrow on the chart:



Not the best drawn picture, I know. But what I realized was I was using musical and theory memory the most, and I forgot one of the most important parts of the picture - keyboard memory! I was relying on a BUNCH of repetitions to create my keyboard memory, but I realized today, during class, that I could create the theory memory in my head, away from the piano. Combined with the other memories, it makes memorizing EVEN faster, and not only that, it makes playing from memory a lot smoother.

So what I’m doing right now is I’ll look at a bit of music, memorize it theory wise, then close my eyes and create the keyboard memory in my head, and THEN I’ll play it for the first time. This works quite well, I must say.

That reminds me; keyboard memory is crucial to have at all times, so long as it’s not distracting you from your interpretation. In other words, you have to spend as little mental focus on it as possible, but it must still be there (and be guided by your music memory). Hand memory is crucial, but you must pay no conscious attention to it.

Also, I realized a few skills I need to develop: mental play of something on the keyboard after just listening to it, and, the key to sight reading - looking at “notes” on a paper, and then immediately visualizing “keys.” So long as you have perfect mental play - you’ll never mess up! There are two kinds of mental play - visible and invisible. Visible mental play refers to playing it in your head whilst being able to see the keys. Invisible means playing it in your head BASED ON FEEL, but you know exactly which keys you’re pressing. IT’s kind of weird.

tl;dr, use mental play (keyboard memory) in addition to everything else, don’t neglect it!

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So here's my personal memorization technique as of right now:

1. Listen to the piece on repeat until I can recall the entire thing note for note in my head (Warning: you might go insane; I did when I was doing this with the Rite of Spring)

2. Obtain the score, and analyze it to literal death, make sure you know exactly what is going on in terms of the architecture, harmonic structures, melodic structures, appreciate the counterpoint if there is any, revel and bask in the piece, and just /study it to death/

3. (This step can be done concurrently with step 4, but I prefer to do it beforehand) Create "keyboard memory;" visualize yourself playing the piece in your head. I find it much easier to start in little chunks, hands separate, but see the shapes on the piano, and see the keys being depressed in your head. To make this even more accurate, feel your hands playing the bit in your head. (Though you must always check on the piano to make sure the motion is accurate!)

4. Actually play the darn thing; here I do a lot of bar by bar, 2-bar by 2-bar, section by section practice, where I'll play the same bar like 20-40 times before moving onto the next one. Literally, as much repetition as possible in as small of chunks as possible. As the days go on, I make the chunks to be repeated longer. /No mindless repetition; must be played with purpose/. I also try to see the notes in my head a split second before I play it. I might try blindfold practice here and there. (Visualizing the piano in my head helps me hit jumps with my eyes covered for some reason)

Note: Usually when I am at this section, I already have the entire piece memorized theory-wise, and usually I can see the whole thing in my head already, so it's just a matter of fleshing out the motions. I separate steps 3 and 4 because to me, learning the notes and learning the physical motions was too much at once, so I separated them! (For more difficult music, that is)

5. Here and there, I'll pull out some staff paper and attempt to recreate the score from memory. You'd be impressed how good you are at this.

That's just how I go about it though. Best of luck!
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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 12:39:16 AM
This is why accomplished Classical Pianists cannot perform.  And absent my advice (BK Term) which I will proffer, there is a very simple solution.

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 12:58:17 AM
Master at forgetting here.

I too have a major performance in less than a week out. I too have played the Mozart K.457 in performance (and completely flubbed it). So you're by far not the only one to have this problem. Let's look at the different aspects of performing such a complex piece and strengthening it to the level you need in such a short time.

I would suggest analyzing the chord progressions and structure very, very, VERY carefully and in-depth. Even copy by hand on blank sheet music the sections that are giving you trouble, often enough that you can do it by memory--these things work your intellectual memory, a critical aspect of performance.

Another thing to do: turn off all the lights and play in a dark room. Or else just with your eyes closed. It will seem really stupid and clumsy at first, but take it slow, and eventually your hands will know where to go without you even having to think about it. Often, I have found that even just this exercise alone improves my memory by leaps and bounds.

A piano professor that I very much respect said in a recent performance class that there are two types of memory: finger memory, which is kind of like a party friend--here for a time, but it disappears quickly and is unreliable at the best of times. Too many student pianists settle for it--I know I have! The other type is much stronger. He calls it ear memory--you hear the music in your head before you play it (I can see others have already mentioned this--good!). To work on this, I suggest marking your piece off in sections and having a second person tell you to start from random section marks in the score. When you can start from anywhere in the piece, it is probably beyond ready to perform.

Lastly, think about why you're performing in the first place: to bring joy and beautiful music to your audience. As that same professor said, "work hard in the practice room so that you can have fun in the performance." The performance should feel more like a payday than a test--that moment when you and your audience can enjoy all your hard work, rather than you cramming for a major test, then sweating your way through it and barely passing. Not fun.

With that in mind, I would suggest having your pieces secure, and just about note-perfect at least a few weeks out from a performance, more if it's being adjudicated. A final note: If you're NOT being adjudicated, then it is absolutely acceptable to play with the music, if you really feel like you're going to screw it up. But don't decide that until the day of--first do everything else you can to play from memory. Why? Because listening a musician who plays by heart and shares the story burning within him is far more affective than one who merely recites, as if in a language they don't understand.

Do you understand? Learn from this experience, do nothing less than your best, then move on to bigger and better things.
Practicing:
Bach Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 1
Shostakovich Preludes Op. 34
Scriabin Etude Op. 2 No. 1
Liszt Fantasie and Fugue on BACH

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Re: Help! Forgetting my piece when performing!
Reply #11 on: February 22, 2018, 06:59:43 PM
Hey everyone!

I thank you all so much for Answering and i will try all the different things that you suggested :D
my concert wasn't so great but it is ok cus i am still learning!
thanks so so much for all your wonderful answers <3
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