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Timing - Chopin 4th Ballade bar 223 (Read 1252 times)

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Timing - Chopin 4th Ballade bar 223
« on: September 22, 2018, 08:42:55 AM »
HI
Am I right in thinking that in this bar, taking the first beat for instance, the Eb in the LH (or played in the RH as I prefer) shoild come marginally after the C/Gb chord in the RH?

No scores I've seen label the right hand beats as triplets, but it seems to be a case of 3 against 4....or am I interpreting this wrong.

Listening to recordings I can't tell, presumably because this run is played so fast you wouldn't hear a difference anyway.

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Re: Timing - Chopin 4th Ballade bar 223
«Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 02:10:48 PM »
screenshot you scrub
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Chopin's 4th ballade and 3rd sonata.
Scriabin Op. 42 no. 1, 2, and 3.
Bach Partita No.4

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Re: Timing - Chopin 4th Ballade bar 223
«Reply #3 on: September 22, 2018, 05:21:40 PM »
Yes they're triplets, yes the lh comes after. Good luck, it's tough piece to learn!
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Chopin's 4th ballade and 3rd sonata.
Scriabin Op. 42 no. 1, 2, and 3.
Bach Partita No.4

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Re: Timing - Chopin 4th Ballade bar 223
«Reply #4 on: October 03, 2018, 03:33:20 PM »
They are triplets - look at the time signature, 6 8. 6 8th notes per measure, so the 3 16th notes notes will need to be played in the duration of an 8th note (tri-pu-let).

With that out of the way, let's look at the real question. Do you play the left hand "marginally" after the right hand? If played with the precision and boredom of midi files, we would play this:

Right hand:
v   v   V   v
1𦌿1

Left hand:
v          V v
1  2  3  4 1


Whatever tempo you decide on here, it's very, very fast. Look at the distance between the 3rd v in the right hand and the 2nd v in the left hand. Very, very close. So close that it will probably destroy your flow if you try to play it at the very fast tempo with a "marginal" amount of space after the triplet before the left hand note. I would just play it with the left hand chord. Listen to recordings, that's how most (if not all) of them play it.
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