i was talking to my dad about what i might do as a career after i finish university, and he said "i don't see how you can make a living from just private piano teaching". so, how do you teachers here make enough money to live comfortably? (do you teach in institutions, have a spouse to help support you, charge huge amounts of money, have mafia connections..?)
Well, say you have just 10 weekly students and you charge $50 per hour (which is about average). That's $500 a week, and $26k per year. While it won't get you on "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous," that's a liveable wage. On top of that, like Rhapsody said, most teachers have other income coming from performances and things of that nature. That was also considering just having ten students. Most full time private instructors have more than ten. My first piano teacher had about twenty students and she charged $60 per hour, which according to my math, comes out to $62,400 a year. Not bad if you ask me.Peace,Bri
***, pianoannie, way to be a buzzkill..........You certainly have a point about expenses, taxes, etc., but those points are true of any profession, not just piano teaching.
But I can't imagine supporting myself and my three children without my husband's income and benefits.
I only say that because the fact that I'm still in grad school and having to turn students away (because of school-related time constraints) while charging $50 per hour indicates to me that the demand is there in my area (Louisville, KY). I guess I should have acknowledged my assumption that I was talking about making one's "own" living. Peace,Bri
So Jeff, what are your thoughts now that you've had a variety of opinions?
It was I who said health insurance is bogus. You see, your quote "But illness, serious health conditions, and eventually death will find us all. " is the premise of all insurance. Insurance is a bet against a negative outcome. Excuse me for noticing but insurance companies are making a killing on all the people who pay them and don't need it. I am sorry to hear that your husband had a tough time. I just don't agree with the logic that says because some people get very ill sometimes then we will all be secure if we have health insurance. For me, and I'm just saying for me, security comes with knowledge and awareness. And you didn't even begin to touch on the resources I rely upon. In my humble opinion serious joy, good health and life find us all too. I'm just weary of the same ole statements being made over and over. The number one cause of death is treatment in hospitals... Modern medicine is in serious need of an overhaul. You want good health, start studying for yourself. Listen, really listen, to everyone around you with what they have learned. There are some doctors who are angels on earth, but they are so incredibly few. I had a very good friend have a valve replacement that has been a miracle for her. I am not opposed to good medicine, just the idea that "they" are all doing a good job and will take care of us all until death... it ain't happening. Okay, I'll get off my bandwagon now.
Oh Carol, I can agree with some of what you're saying. Surely you understood that I was not being a doom and gloom person when I talked about everyone eventually becoming ill. I was merely refuting your implication that eating right etc is a sure defense against any and all health problems--maybe that's not even what you meant, but it sounded that way. And of course life has joy and good health too. I never said or implied it doesn't. (this is pianoannie being happy) But as Jeff was seeking opinions on the ability to make a living from piano, I believe (and so would most) that having one's self and one's family covered by health insurance should be taken into account. I don't think it's good advice to tell Jeff "hey don't worry about having no benefits as a piano teacher--insurance is just a rip off anyway." What happens (in the US at least) is when people don't have insurance, and then they have major medical bills, it's the rest of us who pay, through our own insurance premiums and taxes. I'm curious what you would do if you or one of your children (if you have any) I have three children - two boys and a girl. were diagnosed with cancer - Cancer is the absolute number one thing I would NOT go to an allopathic physician for., The rate of succcess with Cancer treatments is mostly in the asset column of the finances of your local Oncologist. I'm not sure this forum is the place to describe all the things I would do... you're welcome to look at my website www.intuitiveworld.net and see what some of the things I would do are. or needed an organ transplant - Organs don't shut down without lots and lots of warnings, if one is aware of warnings before disease happens, or fell off a roof and broke your spine - would definatley go to an orthopaedic surgeon - and pay for it myself. or some such event, and your medical bills approached a million dollars? (I'm not being mean or accusatory, I am truly curious). I raised three children to adulthood without health insurance most of the time. The oldest is now a chiropractor. When one of my sons broke his arm, the doctor's first question (an internist) was how much does he weigh? I said - no drugs, his body is in shock and he is not experiencing pain. When the orthopaedic doctor showed up he agreed. The arm was set and we went home with a kid who didn't have to deal with some junk in his body on top of the bone break. Would you forego treatment if you couldn't personally pay for it? Of course not. My point is that I have educated myself and been on top of my own and my family's bodies and know what to do when they are out of balance. Now that's health insurance!(actually I don't think you could choose that option for a child, so the result would be that taxpayers covered the bill). In truth most of insurance monies goes to the elderly. This nation has been trained to expect a sickly old age. The majority of money is spent on the elderly that goes into health insurance. I'm not saying that every doctor everywhere is totally ethical and competant, but I could type all night discussing diseases that used to be a sure death sentence, that now are very treatable, due to medications, surgeries, and other medical procedures. If you believe that medical advances have not improved health, longevity, and quality of life, I would vehemently disagree.Well it's been reall, but I'm thinking that this ia a piano forum and we digress. Email me if you want and I'll discuss this til the cows come home.
i don't think i'll make it to your caliber....
how do you find concert halls? are churches more available to the average pianist like me? how much do they generally cost? do you always need tickets, or can you make out pretty well on donations at the door? where are good places to advertise a piano concert? can you just put an ad in a local paper? where would you locate it? how good do you have to be, and who determines it, when you seek to advertise at a better concert hall? what happens when you play a piano concerto? do you have to pay a portion of the 2-3 thousand dollars back to the orchestra or the hall? how much is the most you have made on a piano concerto performance? i know this sounds very personal and is probably not appropriate to my level YET, but when i am in my late fourties and early fifties i am hoping to be good enough to play a concerto every six months...to start. do you think this is feasible? would you stick with the same conductor/orchestra, or try to vary where you play? how does this affect the comraderie of the whole thing?
dear lostinidlewonder,scarlatti's sonata k.119mozart's c minor fantasy k.475brahm's A major intermezzo (2nd) why does it sound minor?barber's nocturne (dedicated to john field)
dearm1469fox,thank you thank you for the response. you know, i think i still have time to learn it, if i put my head to it. and, it would be appropriate as you say. they are both dedicated to her (his landlord's wife) and i'm not sure if the relationship was ok or if mozart was referring to their busybodying by the implication of a door being unlocked, someone peeking in (and possibly stealing manuscripts) (the beginning of the fantasy is, to me, a paranoia that mozart is starting to have about his privacy, about his music and copyrighting/stealing, and making a living without the door opening and shutting so much (and people knocking) disturbing his creating/composing.you know, in the sonata, i really hear the forming of beethoven's mind. the freeness of composition that mozart was getting into. i'm so happy to have met your aquaintance and also idlewonder. the experience and source materials that you know about are superb. i will print your message,too.
dear lostinidlewonder,you remind me, in the way you speak, and your understanding, a lot of my current piano professor. he's young, concertizes a lot, and always looks rested. can you explain that? he played a concert after staying up all night the previous night, and it went very well. (i could not do this, i would lose all concentration)
ok here's my late summer recital (before i take the world by storm, or simply fall off the earth pianowise -self destructing after a little concert)scarlatti's sonata k.119mozart's c minor fantasy k.475brahm's A major intermezzo (2nd) why does it sound minor?barber's nocturne (dedicated to john field)
I mean imagine playing all of the debussy Preludes for a concert? Yeah sure many of them are nice, but a lot of them are much an aquired taste.
Again, it really depends on what you can charge in your area. I'd never make that much myself. I can't charge what it takes to make that, nor can I teach as many hours as I would prefer in a day. Students can only come after 3:30 pm for the most part.
I charge a fairly good amount but can only handle 25-30 students. And most people don't want summer lessons. Summers are a challenge financially.