A while ago I cited that old Roman maxim "de gustibus non est disputandam" (there is no discussing taste) in a thread about Sorabji. But who can resist trying once in a while to explain why bad music sounds bad?In the last couple of decades, a new theory of why most people hate 'modern classical' music (you know, the post-tonal stuff like Schoenberg etc.) has been developed which bases its argument on human physiology. Quite simply, our brains are wired to respond positively to certain sounds and combinations of sounds, and music is all about satisfying our expectations. Interesting and attractive music, of course, messes with our expectations to various degrees; but when artfully handled, and used in the right proportions, this foiling of expectations can make for intensely pleasurable listening.This makes perfect sense to me, but the idea is certainly not universally accepted (although, thank god, it is gaining ground in music conservatories.)So I thought I would bring that to your attention. But the most original and fascinating attempt I have ever read to account for why modern music and art are so widely detested has nothing to do with physiology; it is psychological and to some degree religious. I'm an atheist myself but I still think this fellow has hit the nail on the head in terms of psychology, culture, and ordinary human nature. So please, enjoy this essay by economist David P. Goldman, who happens to hold a Master's degree in Music Theory from the City University of New York.https://www.futuresymphony.org/admit-it-you-really-hate-modern-art/
For intelligent responses to the clever comments on this matter so far, I suggest the following essay:https://www.futuresymphony.org/admit-it-you-really-hate-modern-art/(warning -- it has some big words)
"Too few notes" heheheIt's a pity there are any at all =)
But what might you (or Mr Goldman) mean by "modern music"? Schönberg - still the traditional bogeyman - began to upset audiences with his work 120 years ago despite his being (and remaining) steeped in the traditions of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Wagner and Brahms. What of Liszt and where he was going? Or Bach? No, this simply doesn't hold good, nor is it based upon human logic. Everything is chanign all the time. Time has never stood still and nor does it move forwards only rather than backwards or stands still (see Busoni on that subject). The is no such thing as "ordinary human nature"; indeed, "ordinariness" and "human nature" are by definition both incompatible and inherent contradictions in terms.Best,Alistair
Fully agree.Also, it annoys me when people refer to music from the early and mid 1900's as modern...
The problem is serialism; psychologically it's not pleasing to anybody except brainwashed Ivory tower composers.
Had serialism never come about maybe classical music would have more relevance today.
In the last couple of decades, a new theory of why most people hate 'modern classical' music (you know, the post-tonal stuff like Schoenberg etc.) has been developed which bases its argument on human physiology. Quite simply, our brains are wired to respond positively to certain sounds and combinations of sounds, and music is all about satisfying our expectations. Interesting and attractive music, of course, messes with our expectations to various degrees; but when artfully handled, and used in the right proportions, this foiling of expectations can make for intensely pleasurable listening.