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SCales...& it's types
on: April 12, 2003, 05:08:55 AM
hey.. can someone tell me what scales on Unison, thirds, sixths, and tenths are?  and the same with contrary motion in thirds, sixths, and tenths

thankyou... wow.. i feel like some crappy pianist now.. im only 18/// but reading what you guys do.. alot of time devoted to this...
that's great.

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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #1 on: April 12, 2003, 05:37:48 AM
Scales in unison are when you play the same notes in both hands, an octave apart.  Thirds are when your hands are one third apart, same with sixths and tenths (although I've never played the tenths).  
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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #2 on: April 13, 2003, 12:41:35 AM
hey amee..
we have the same name?!...

yah.. thank you..
10ths.. as in bigger than the octave?.. damn.. how can poeple reach that?  (or are they not played simultaneously?

haha..
thank you

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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #3 on: April 13, 2003, 12:43:29 AM
and by thirds.. do you mean you play:

c, e - d, f - e ,g - f, a, etc etc. ???

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Reply #4 on: April 13, 2003, 04:00:36 AM
Hi Amy!

Sorry I didn't explain more clearly before...
I'm assuming you mean thirds, sixths, and tenths apart with hands together in similar motion.  If that is the case, then you would play C major third apart like this:

Right Hand: E F G A B C D E (A third above the Left Hand)
Left Hand  : C D E F G A B C (regular C major scale)

So basically your left hand is playing the C major scale while your right hand is playing a scale a major third above.

Hope that helps...for a sixth apart, your hands would be going (in C major):

Right Hand: C D E F G A B C (regular C major scale)
Left Hand  : E F G A B C D E (a sixth below Right Hand)

Its just the same as the 3rd apart, except your right hand has the C major scale now while your left hand is playing a sixth below it.  

I've never played tenths, but I assume it would be the same except your hands are a tenth apart.  You should probably ask your teacher since I'm assuming all this for hands together, a 3rd/6th apart, and in similar motion.
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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #5 on: April 13, 2003, 04:04:06 AM
Again, I'm only taking a guess at what contrary motion means since I haven't played them...but you know how in similar motion both your hands are going up the piano in a scale?  Maybe contray motion is when your Right Hand goes up the scale while your Left Hand goes down, so your hands would be getting further and further apart as you progress through the scale.

Don't take my word for it, again I'm only guessing - I suggest you ask your teacher about all these scale things.
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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #6 on: April 13, 2003, 04:13:28 AM
Yes, contrary motion means the hands travel along the scale in opposite directions, and at the termination reverse direction, traveling toward one another again until they meet at the note of origin.  So, for example, in the scale of C, both thumbs start simultaneously on middle C, the right goes up the keyboard, and the left down for four octaves both ending there on ont 5th fingers; then both hands reverse direction until they meet again on middle C.
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Reply #7 on: April 14, 2003, 02:37:25 AM
I'm wondering what tenths are as well...say in C major, would it be the right hand playing the C major scale and the left hand a tenth below it, or the other way around, where the left hand has the scale and the right hand is a tenth above it?

Thank you,
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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #8 on: April 14, 2003, 04:01:06 AM
Hi Amy!
The left hand plays the CM scale and the right hand plays a tenth above. Hope this helps.
Sara

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Reply #9 on: April 18, 2003, 01:02:12 AM
Yes, the left hand plays the CM scale w/ RH a tenth above.  If you play the CM scale in the right hand with the LH a tenth below, the result is the A natural minor scale in tenths.
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Reply #10 on: April 26, 2003, 05:26:43 AM
hey guys..
thanks for helping me out.
now that i know what these scales are....
can you tell me how the fingering goes for them?
is there a correct fingering like most standard scales?..
or is it the same (except depending on starting on the respective note)??

thanks
-amy

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Reply #11 on: April 26, 2003, 05:46:27 AM
The fingering will be different depending on which scale it is, and which note the scale starts on.
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Reply #12 on: April 30, 2003, 03:26:03 PM
hey amee..
so... say i was doing a 6th scale..
starting on d (major)
so my left hand starts on d like with the normal fingering. then the right hand starts on the b above it..but starting with the finger that usually plays the b right? so that would be the 3rd finger...

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Reply #13 on: April 30, 2003, 05:45:38 PM
Hi Amy,
If you were doing the DM scale in sixths then your left hand would be on the F# below d. Your right hand would play on d with the fingering in the right hand like the DM scale and your left hand will begin on 3.
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Reply #14 on: April 30, 2003, 05:46:57 PM
By the way, how do you get these darn smiley faces to work!?
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Reply #15 on: May 01, 2003, 06:47:33 AM
Hi Sara,

The smilies should appear just above the text box when you post a message, just click on them.  

Also make sure the 'Disable Smilies' box isn't checked.
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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #16 on: May 02, 2003, 05:21:34 AM
hey Sara.. thanks!!
but now im confused..
someone said.. if i were to play THIRDS... say on C maj.
then my left hand starts on C, and the right on the e.
and for TENTHS on C major.. left hand on c, and the right on the upper e.
but how come on SIXTHS... you start the base note on the RIGHT, and then whatever the chosen degree is on the left?????

thanks
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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #17 on: May 02, 2003, 06:04:00 AM
Hey Amy,
I believe, others can correct me if I'm wrong,but in order to keep it major for sixths you must play  below or it would be minor. For instance,in CM you play thirds on e not on a because if you were to play on a it would turn it into am. Are you with me so far? If you were to play a sixth above c that would be a as well and would then be minor. Kind of confusing, I realize. Maybe someone can explain it better than I can. That's just how I've looked at it, but I've been told that I can be very confusing in the way that I tell things so if someone else can explain better that that,please do. ;) Hope this helps.
Sara

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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #18 on: May 04, 2003, 07:23:02 PM
hey! sara.
thanks for the help.. yes i admit , you're somewhat confusing ..but lemme see if this'll clear it up.
i understand that if you were doing 3'rd's or 6's you'd take your LEFT hand on the base note, and the right hand would play the 3rd. or 6th or whatever... right?
ex:  CM on 6ths.
left hand starts on C, and right hand starts on A.
and that goes for 3rds, and tenths right?

thanks
-amy

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Re: SCales...& it's types
Reply #19 on: May 05, 2003, 06:34:59 AM
i hate this

hey amee y give much advice about this.

it irritates me

okok

amy just practice hanon and u will find it nice.

its exercises are better than what u want to learn

and it ads dexterity too.

after finishing hanon try playing

Czerny its more advanced than hanon but i tell u hanon is hard when u reached the end part of the book.
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Reply #20 on: May 05, 2003, 06:52:51 AM
Hi Amy!

Let me try and clarify the differences between 3rds and 6ths.  In 3rds, say in C major, you have your left hand on C and your right hand on the E above it.  In 6ths in C major, you have your right hand on C and your left hand on E, a 6th below your right hand.

So in third aparts your left hand starts on the base note of the scale, but in sixth aparts your right hand starts on the base note.
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Reply #21 on: May 07, 2003, 04:29:23 AM
hey Amee
thank you so much for clearing things up!
so.. u start left hand base note on 3rds..
and on 6ths.. u start base note on right.
how about 10ths?

Thanks guys.
shall check out hanon too :)

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Reply #22 on: May 07, 2003, 07:32:19 AM
Hey Amy,

Yup, that's right!  In 10ths, say in C major, the left hand starts C (the base note) and the right hand starts a tenth above it.  So in 10ths the left hand does the base scale.
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Reply #23 on: May 08, 2003, 11:47:47 PM
Right: playing the scale in tenths is the same as playing it in thirds, only your right hand plays an octave higher.
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Reply #24 on: May 11, 2003, 08:29:12 PM
hey guys!
thanks for helping me!

fingering is a big problem for me though..
in terms of playing it in 3rds and 6ths...
ARG.

its soo difficult!
amy ;D

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Reply #25 on: May 12, 2003, 01:54:32 AM
Which scales are you finding the fingering difficult?
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Reply #26 on: May 16, 2003, 06:46:21 AM
hey amee

well.. the fingering is difficult in terms of say 3rds...
say starting on E major..
so left is playing the e starting on the pinky.
but since i have to start on the third note with my right hand.. using the 3rd finger on G#... its hard to just continue on ,,ya know?

thanks

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Reply #27 on: May 16, 2003, 09:27:37 AM
Hi amy,

For fingering of E major in thirds I would start the RH on G# with the index finger instead of the third.  Then you can go 2-1-2-3-4-1-2-3 for the RH scale.
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Reply #28 on: May 18, 2003, 11:46:21 PM
thanks amee!

i guess i can work on that stuff...
*sigh.
my friends who study at university for music performance practice scales for about 20 minutes before they play each time..
gosh.. dont they get tired after that?!
ahah..
what about you guys?
-amy
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