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Need helps for Clair De Lune
on: May 09, 2021, 02:33:03 PM
Recently I have started learning Clair De Lune by myself. I am wondering about some chords as donít know whether the chords are RH and LF are together or RH then Lh. Also I would really appreciate if you can show me which chords are LH RH together and which are RH then LF in this piece.
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #1 on: May 09, 2021, 03:21:14 PM
Recently I have started learning Clair De Lune by myself. I am wondering about some chords as donít know whether the chords are RH and LF are together or RH then LF. Also I would really appreciate if you can show me which chords are LF RH together and which are RH then LF in this piece.
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What do you mean with LF? Left hand? That's usually written as LH :)

There are quite a lot of chords in this piece. Most of them should be clear from the score which hand plays which notes. Can you show some examples of chords where you are not sure how to play them? You can make a screenshot/picture of the score and attach it to your post.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #2 on: May 09, 2021, 04:39:36 PM
What do you mean with LF? Left hand? That's usually written as LH :)

I was sure the OP meant Left Foot, Jerry Lee Lewis style!  ;D

I'll have a look when I get back from the day job:  haven't looked at this one in quite a long time, so it could be a fun mini-project.
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #3 on: May 09, 2021, 11:55:42 PM
Lol sorry for my mistakes ;D , something was in my head so I wrote LF 🥲

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #4 on: May 10, 2021, 12:01:33 AM
Also the chords I was trying to say is bar 15 16 17.I donít know whether it is LH RH together or RH then LH.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #5 on: May 10, 2021, 04:02:23 AM
The chords come together, why would you think it wouldnít be?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #6 on: May 10, 2021, 04:33:36 AM
Oh.  I'd completely forgotten this bit.

Yeah, of course:  the left foot (;D) and RH are played together.

A jazz pianist would just call those "block chords," but that's the only way I can see it.

Thanks for reminding me of the Suite bergamesque, though, of which this is one part:  fascinating music.

I couldn't find the breakout edition of just this one from as a young kid with teacher's annotations, but from IMSLP it was fun to glance through the entire suite.

If you continue on with Debussy, the 1st and 2nd "movements' look to me to be very worthwhile and accessible.  IIRC the Passepied is kind of tricky, but it's been a long time.

Actuallly, the Clair de lune doesn't appear as easy as I recall, either:  I know I played it, and I was no genius, but it's still needing a few "tricks" at the keyboard, it seems to me.
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #7 on: May 10, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
Thanks for your help  :D . Despite the fact that I misstyped LH as LF, you guys can still help me.😘

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #8 on: May 10, 2021, 10:27:02 AM
Why did you think the chords where not together?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #9 on: May 10, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
Becasue when I looked at the score, it seems like the RH is faster then LH, I take the score from starryway.org

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #10 on: May 10, 2021, 03:32:53 PM
That website you posted has an audio file for each piece and it follows the music while it plays. So if you listened to the piece you would have heard the chords together. Also the notes are written with exactly the same note values in both hands, so I am still confused how you can see any difference between the hands at all. How is it possible that you cannot see that both the hands have exactly the same note values and are exactly lined up underneath each other?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #11 on: May 11, 2021, 01:54:16 AM
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #12 on: May 11, 2021, 01:58:11 AM
I know nothing about music theory :(

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #13 on: May 11, 2021, 02:10:13 AM
Notes lining up underneath each other being played together is like not really that much theory it's like the bare basics really you would have been confused many places earlier if you really don't understand this. And have you not listened to recordings of the piece ever? Surely you then also would hear that the chords come together?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #14 on: May 11, 2021, 01:34:37 PM
I heard the song but I am not sure   :(

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #15 on: May 11, 2021, 04:24:11 PM
But how can you not understand if notes are written underneath one another this means play together? This is such a basic understanding how to read music how did you get to this level and forget about it? How can you hear the recording and not hear all the notes coming together?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #16 on: May 11, 2021, 04:38:44 PM
But how can you not understand if notes are written underneath one another this means play together? This is such a basic understanding how to read music how did you get to this level and forget about it? How can you hear the recording and not hear all the notes coming together?

It's possible he heard a recording in which the pianist used more than a little displacement and he couldn't square that with the notation.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #17 on: May 12, 2021, 12:45:42 AM
It's possible he heard a recording in which the pianist used more than a little displacement and he couldn't square that with the notation.
I think you are being far too forgiving to consider such a thing. Also the website the OP posted where they got the sheet music has an option to press a PLAY button and watch the notes light up and sound go along with it. Honestly I don't believe it is possible to not understand if the the chords come together or not. Also not being able to notice that the notes line up underneath each other, it is simply impossible.

I asked Why cant you see the notes lining up underneath each other, the OP says they don't know theory.. Yeah right, are we supposed to believe that answer? I ask why cant you hear it, they say they were not sure... there are so many recording of the piece and the website they got the sheets from is like MUSESCORE and will play the score you are looking at.
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #18 on: May 12, 2021, 01:34:10 AM
It is highly unusual and I really think this entire thread is just a troll/joke post. All the responses from the OP has been extreme generalized and simplistic.

I asked Why cant you see the notes lining up underneath each other, the OP says they don't know theory.. Yeah right, are we supposed to believe that answer?

Yeah, it seems that way, or either an extremely stunted person with no ability, even rudimentary.

But, it is somewhat amusing. "Why do those chords that are struck at the same time are struck at the same time?"

Granted, there may be some subtle pushing of the beat, but I don't think so. Not that I've recall, but one could do it that way, I guess.


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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #19 on: May 12, 2021, 05:25:10 AM
Yeah, it seems that way, or either an extremely stunted person with no ability, even rudimentary.
Who has finished Fantasie Impromptu and studied Liebesleid as they stated in their first post on pianostreet. They have done these pieces yet cannot interpret what happens when notes which line up vertically and also cannot hear in any recording that they come together even the one provided by the website which they got their sheet music from which has a PLAY button to hear the music before you copy it? Everything seems in order?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #20 on: May 12, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
Who has finished Fantasie Impromptu and studied Liebesleid as they stated in their first post on pianostreet. They have done these pieces yet cannot interpret what happens when notes which line up vertically and also cannot hear in any recording that they come together even the one provided by the website which they got their sheet music from which has a PLAY button to hear the music before you copy it? Everything seems in order?
This is hilarious! Seems like someone accidentally downloaded Fantaisie Impromptu into their brain. This should be a lesson for people to not neglect their basics lol. ;D

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #21 on: May 12, 2021, 10:18:50 AM
Anyone want to bet whether a forum member will run away from PS?  I wouldnít take that bet in the negative.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #22 on: May 12, 2021, 10:30:59 AM
I mean this post shouldnít go this far for such problem. I asked 2 friends and both of them said that the LH and RH arenít vertical , one of them had studied in our countryís national institute for piano for years and quitted recently. Also this is STUDENT CORNER if you are blind. Nothingís wrong if I finished Fantasy Impromptu and Liebesleid and still asked this question. So please be polite, if you arenít helping me, please donít comment.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #23 on: May 12, 2021, 10:37:37 AM
I think you are being far too forgiving to consider such a thing.

Could be. I generally try to put the most sympathetic interpretation on what someone writes, even if it seems nuts. Sometimes it turns out that the sympathetic interpretation is correct and there's something interesting to talk about. Sometimes not. Sometimes, even though what they said was nuts, the fact that I didn't call them nuts or an idiot makes it possible for them to learn something without getting defensive. Sometimes not. But if not, there's no use or pleasure (for me anyway) in calling them nuts or idiots.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #24 on: May 12, 2021, 10:42:44 AM
I mean this post shouldnít go this far for such problem. I asked 2 friends and both of them said that the LH and RH arenít vertical , one of them had studied in our countryís national institute for piano for years and quitted recently. Also this is STUDENT CORNER if you are blind. Nothingís wrong if I finished Fantasy Impromptu and Liebesleid and still asked this question. So please be polite, if you arenít helping me, please donít comment.

I think it is good that you ask questions if there is something you don't understand. Most of us are here to help. If someone feels rude, just ignore them. I hope you gained some clarity in your original question!

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #25 on: May 12, 2021, 10:52:03 AM
I think it is good that you ask questions if there is something you don't understand. Most of us are here to help. If someone feels rude, just ignore them. I hope you gained some clarity in your original question!
I did clarify that so I didnít check this postís reply. Just weird that somebody blamed me for playing Fantasie Impromptu and Liebesleid and still asked this question. I knew RH and LH are playing together but since I asked 2 of my friends, I lost my certainty. So I posted it here for clarification.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #26 on: May 12, 2021, 11:51:09 AM
Just ignore rude posters?  PW was, at one time, a vibrant community, then we had one single poster who managed to run off a large number of members because of rudeness in responses.   Most posters will not ignore rudeness and ridicule for long. ... and they shouldn't need to ignore it.  They will leave and find a forum where they can comfortably ask questions, no matter what is asked. 

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Reply #27 on: May 12, 2021, 12:01:02 PM
Just ignore rude posters?  PW was, at one time, a vibrant community, then we had one single poster who managed to run off a large number of members because of rudeness in responses.   Most posters will not ignore rudeness and ridicule for long. ... and they shouldn't need to ignore it.  They will leave and find a forum where they can comfortably ask questions, no matter what is asked.

Yes, I agree 100%. If you think someone is asking a stupid question you can ignore them, or give them a simple, non-insulting answer.

I prefer kind idiots to unpleasant folks who know something, and in any case, my general experience is that the more proficient someone is the more generous they are likely to be, and the less likely they are to be rude. It's the people who are not happy with their own accomplishments that tend to look for others to punch down at.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #28 on: May 12, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
No one said its a stupid question, rather I am asking if it is it a real question through seeing the reason why they thought something ridiculous.

Lol at calling me a "RUDE POSTER" you guys really are the defenders of ethics right? If people are going to post crazy things and then respond with generic simple responses after people have taken time to help them, I am going to call it out for what it looks like and most likely is. I gave the OP plenty of chance to explain themselves why they thought a certain way but all they give is reasons which ultimately means "trust me its just whats happening to me I can't tell you why". 

I asked a simple question which I had to repeat and the answers were just not thought out. I gave the benefit of the doubt and was interested to hear a real reason why they thought such strange things but they didn't even try.

Also, if you post something on the internet and EXPECT all the responses to it to be nice with lots of bunnies, kittens and a beautiful view through rose tinted glass, then you are in the wrong place.
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #29 on: May 12, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
I mean this post shouldnít go this far for such problem.
Well your confusions needs to be addressed at its source not just tell you the answer and then end of story. You didn't explain why you thought such things you made up reasons which made zero sense.

FOR EXAMPLE I ASKED: Why you think the chords are not together?

and you responded:

"Becasue when I looked at the score, it seems like the RH is faster then LH, I take the score from starryway.org"

"I know nothing about music theory"


How did you see that the RH is faster than the LH when all the notes are the same value? You must have something that made you think that but you are hiding it from us, for me the reason doesn't exist and why I feel what you are posting here is just a made up situation. You can easily clear things up by explaining how you saw the RH being faster than the LH, its not just a random thought that pops in your mind and you go with it, something must have made you think that if it really is true.


Also this is STUDENT CORNER if you are blind.
Yes and I am trying to determine why you are exactly think so wrongly. You could have said you heard recordings which break it up and they are not together, but you have posted a website which you got the score from which actually has a recording of that piece just like musescore does with its scores. You also said you see in the score that the RH seems faster, but you have not explained what pressed you to see the RH as being faster. So your confusion came from the score however you do not want to explain how you noticed the RH being faster than the LH despite all the chords in being exactly lined up vertically under one another and written with the exact same note values.

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Reply #30 on: May 12, 2021, 12:54:27 PM
Well your confusions needs to be addressed at its source not just tell you the answer and then end of story. You didn't explain why you thought such things you made up reasons which made zero sense.

FOR EXAMPLE I ASKED: Why you think the chords are not together?

and you responded:

"Becasue when I looked at the score, it seems like the RH is faster then LH, I take the score from starryway.org"

"I know nothing about music theory"


What the heck?? How did you see that the RH is faster than the LH when all the notes are the same value? You can't honestly think that answer explains it? You must have something that made you think that but you are hiding it from us, for me the reason doesn't exist and why I feel what you are posting here is just a made up situation. You can easily clear things up by explaining how you saw the RH being faster than the LH, its not just a random thought that pops in your mind and you go with it, something must have made you think that if it really is true.

Oh so now you add to the story and put:
How convenient you have this story to add and didn't even write it at the start. To me this just adds to the madness now.
Yes and I am trying to determine why you are exactly think so wrongly yet your responses do not explain that one bit thus why I feel you are posting fake rubbish here. 
Now you play the victim. If anyone analyzes your questions and responses to answers and questions to you they will see you are playing some kind of game, even your first post on pianostreet people gave you detailed advice and your response was just quite unthoughtful.

And exactly why must I say in the first place that I had already asked 2 friends?
My main reason is to find my answer about my concern, I didnít believe my friendsí answers so I posted it here.
Also, if you read carefully, as a player who knows little about music theory and you still asked :

HOW DID YOU SEE THAT THR RH IS FASTER THAN THE LH WHEN ALL THE NOTES ARE SAME VALUE?

I supposed that you didnít know that even HOW TO COUNT NOTES VALUE CORRECTLY is MUSIC THEORY.

Also, if I wanted to make up a situation here, I wouldnít chose Clair De Lune as a piece to make it up.I would definitely take some easier piece to do that. Clair De Lune isnít a simple piece although people rated it at level 7.

And finally, anyone here has the right to ask any questions if they need, no such rules as : If you can played Liszt Rhapsody no 2, you canít ask questions about easier piece like Fur Elise or March Turkish.

Even if this was a fake question, it can still help people who has the same problem, still, it is useful and definitely donít need some comment saying it is too easy and it shouldnít be asked here.



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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #31 on: May 12, 2021, 12:55:33 PM
Just ignore rude posters?  PW was, at one time, a vibrant community, then we had one single poster who managed to run off a large number of members because of rudeness in responses.   Most posters will not ignore rudeness and ridicule for long. ... and they shouldn't need to ignore it.  They will leave and find a forum where they can comfortably ask questions, no matter what is asked.

On a macro level, I agree. If users constantly have to ignore rude users it's a problem. I was talking more specifically about this thread. If I see stuff that I think is over the line I report it to the moderators; I'd encourage everyone to do that. I think it's good for this community if new users feel welcome and like no question is too stupid to ask, so that's what I want to support.

Who was the user that drove off posters? I always thought the numbers dropped because the forum was closed for new registrations for a while, or something like that. I personally was away for a couple of years due to low activity. But it seems to me like it has gotten more active again this year?

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Reply #32 on: May 12, 2021, 01:02:34 PM
On a macro level, I agree. If users constantly have to ignore rude users it's a problem. I was talking more specifically about this thread. If I see stuff that I think is over the line I report it to the moderators; I'd encourage everyone to do that. I think it's good for this community if new users feel welcome and like no question is too stupid to ask, so that's what I want to support.

Who was the user that drove off posters? I always thought the numbers dropped because the forum was closed for new registrations for a while, or something like that. I personally was away for a couple of years due to low activity. But it seems to me like it has gotten more active again this year?



I remembered that there was a comment said that there should be a forum for children and Mongoloid, I assumed that type of comment is for me and we should definitely take action for these kind of comments.

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Reply #33 on: May 12, 2021, 01:06:40 PM
And exactly why must I say in the first place that I had already asked 2 friends?
Because I asked you why you think the chords didn't come together and you said that the score told you so because the RH seems faster than the LH, not your friends.

My main reason is to find my answer about my concern, I didnít believe my friendsí answers so I posted it here.
But this still doesn't explain how you saw in the score that the RH is faster than the LH. What pushed you to see it that way?

Also, if you read carefully, as a player who knows little about music theory and you still asked :

HOW DID YOU SEE THAT THR RH IS FASTER THAN THE LH WHEN ALL THE NOTES ARE SAME VALUE?

I supposed that you didnít know that even HOW TO COUNT NOTES VALUE CORRECTLY is MUSIC THEORY.
Noticing that notes are lining up vertically means play together is not that deep music theory, even a very early beginner can understand this but you are playing pieces at a high level. This makes zero sense at all and I would like to understand how it is possible.


Also, if I wanted to make up a situation here, I wouldnít chose Clair De Lune as a piece to make it up.I would definitely take some easier piece to do that. Clair De Lune isnít a simple piece although people rated it at level 7.
I am only saying this sounds made up because your answers are just not answering anything. I have asked very clear and simple questions but you are avoiding them and answering them in the most vague way possible. Surely you can give us clear reasons why you are confused because I have set out clearly how difficult it is to be mistaken. How one can mistake notes written underneath each other means anything else but playing them together?


And finally, anyone here has the right to ask any questions if they need, no such rules as : If you can played Liszt Rhapsody no 2, you canít ask questions about easier piece like Fur Elise or March Turkish.

Even if this was a fake question, it can still help people who has the same problem, still, it is useful and definitely donít need some comment saying it is too easy and it shouldnít be asked here.
You can ask whatever question you like but I would like to know why you think in such a manner. If you answer in a vague way not explaining yourself then you will have to appreciate that some people like myself will think you are just playing a game on here and fishing for people to comment on your threads.
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Reply #34 on: May 12, 2021, 01:08:41 PM
On a macro level, I agree. If users constantly have to ignore rude users it's a problem. I was talking more specifically about this thread. If I see stuff that I think is over the line I report it to the moderators; I'd encourage everyone to do that. I think it's good for this community if new users feel welcome and like no question is too stupid to ask, so that's what I want to support.

Who was the user that drove off posters? I always thought the numbers dropped because the forum was closed for new registrations for a while, or something like that. I personally was away for a couple of years due to low activity. But it seems to me like it has gotten more active again this year?
I haven't been offensive at all. I am asking for a reason as to why someone thinks the way they do, they clearly said they see something in the score in an incorrect manner but they are not telling us what that is.

I think it is more concerning that you are talking past those you think are being rude as if you are on a higher moral ground. If something I say is offensive why don't you question me and ask for an explaination rather than just judging what I am doing is being offensive and rude. That indeed is not what I am responding here for. I would like work out how someone went wrong and am pressing to get the information.


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Reply #35 on: May 12, 2021, 01:18:56 PM
Because I asked you why you think the chords didn't come together and you said that the score told you so because the RH seems faster than the LH, not your friends.
But this still doesn't explain how you saw in the score that the RH is faster than the LH. What pushed you to see it that way?
Noticing that notes are lining up vertically means play together is not that deep music theory, even a very early beginner can understand this but you are playing pieces at a high level. This makes zero sense at all and I would like to understand how it is possible.

I am only saying this sounds made up because your answers are just not answering anything. I have asked very clear and simple questions but you are avoiding them and answering them in the most vague way possible. Surely you can give us clear reasons why you are confused because I have set out clearly how difficult it is to be mistaken. How one can mistake notes written underneath each other means anything else but playing them together?

You can ask whatever question you like but I would like to know why you think in such a manner. If you answer in a vague way not explaining yourself then you will have to appreciate that some people like myself will think you are just playing a game on here and fishing for people to comment on your threads.
I remembered I have mentioned somewhere above, I didnít see that RH and LH are vertical. In my case, if you didnít see directly the vertical, you must use MUSIC THEORY to check that. And I didnít have much MUSIC THEORY too so I have no ways to check it. Thatís why I need to post it here. Also please remind that I am not forcing anyone here to answer my question, all I need is the answer for my question, you have your right to not answer and silent. And again, I didnít see any reasons why not mentioning my friends would affect the answer of my question. You can directly answer and it would be great if you explain like why it should be vertical using music theory instead of blaming me for not giving you enough stories to make you believe this is a real question.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #36 on: May 12, 2021, 01:38:44 PM
I think it is more concerning that you are talking past those you think are being rude as if you are on a higher moral ground. If something I say is offensive why don't you question me and ask for an explaination rather than just judging what I am doing is being offensive and rude. That indeed is not what I am responding here for. I want to understand if this is a real post and the answers so far to the questions have merely dug it deeper into madness.

You quite literally are THE rudest and most condescending poster I've seen on this site since I joined a few months ago. I'm actually inclined to agree with you about OP's question - it seems so clear that the hands are played together that I don't know where his confusion came from. However, I just don't understand why it's so hard for you to leave it alone. OP got his question answered and thanked people for their help about 30 posts ago and you felt the need to incessantly push for an answer as to why he was confused. For what? What do you, does he, or does anyone on this site gain from that? Look at where this thread has gone: it's devolved into this mess and it's helping absolutely no one. Also what is with your hysteria about "trolls" and "fake posters"? OP does not seem to speak English as a first language (based on grammar and spelling) which could contribute to his lack of clarity/specificity in his posts. His posts are HARMLESS. Ever notice how every time a thread turns into this ridiculous back-and-forth arguing, you're always involved? It's not him, it's YOU. You're not interested in helping people; you're interested in winning arguments and it's ridiculous. Give it a rest.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #37 on: May 12, 2021, 01:39:44 PM
I remembered I have mentioned somewhere above, I didnít see that RH and LH are vertical. In my case, if you didnít see directly the vertical, you must use MUSIC THEORY to check that.


How much theory is needed to understand that notes that are underneath one another are played together? Am I living in the twilight zone and the only one who realizes this is crazy stuff? lol
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #38 on: May 12, 2021, 01:41:34 PM
How much theory is needed to understand that notes that are underneath one another are played together? Am I living in the twilight zone and the only one who realizes this is crazy stuff? lol

How much common sense and decency is needed to understand that all you have to do is answer OP's very simple question in a constructive way and then move on with your life? Am I living in the twilight zone and the only one who realizes this is crazy stuff? lol

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Reply #39 on: May 12, 2021, 01:45:21 PM
You quite literally are THE rudest and most condescending poster I've seen on this site since I joined a few months ago. I'm actually inclined to agree with you about OP's question - it seems so clear that the hands are played together that I don't know where his confusion came from. However, I just don't understand why it's so hard for you to leave it alone. OP got his question answered and thanked people for their help about 30 posts ago and you felt the need to incessantly push for an answer as to why he was confused. For what? What do you, does he, or does anyone on this site gain from that? Look at where this thread has gone: it's devolved into this mess and it's helping absolutely no one. Also what is with your hysteria about "trolls" and "fake posters"? OP does not seem to speak English as a first language (based on grammar and spelling) which could contribute to his lack of clarity/specificity in his posts. His posts are HARMLESS. Ever notice how every time a thread turns into this ridiculous back-and-forth arguing, you're always involved? It's not him, it's YOU. You're not interested in helping people; you're interested in winning arguments and it's ridiculous. Give it a rest.
Thatís true. I donít know vocabularies about music. Thatís why I canít explain what I thought in my head.

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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #40 on: May 12, 2021, 01:45:46 PM
You quite literally are THE rudest and most condescending poster I've seen on this site since I joined a few months ago.
Well you have only been here a few months, you must be new to the internet if you think I am the rudest most condescending poster.
 
I'm actually inclined to agree with you about OP's question - it seems so clear that the hands are played together that I don't know where his confusion came from. However, I just don't understand why it's so hard for you to leave it alone.
Yes well you do see what I am on about and everyone else is just walking around like its normal. Why can I not ask a question in the manner I want to ask? Why does it have to be your way? Don't you realize people in this world think differently and are interested in different things? I am asking questions and wanting to understand a situation, if that bothers you what am I supposed to do about it?


OP got his question answered and thanked people for their help about 30 posts ago and you felt the need to incessantly push for an answer as to why he was confused. For what?
I want to understand how he came to his mistaken conclusions, however all the answers given merely avoid a real reason so I ask again to see if there will be some clarity which there always is more added to it.

His posts are HARMLESS. \
His very first post asked someone to give him the fingerin for 8 pages of a piece. Then when a very detailed answer was given hardly any feedback on the info was given, not even explaining how it helped, something that would be very obvious if you tried it.

Ever notice how every time a thread turns into this ridiculous back-and-forth arguing, you're always involved? It's not him, it's YOU. You're not interested in helping people; you're interested in winning arguments and it's ridiculous. Give it a rest.
IF you think a post carries on into realms you are not interested in you just don't have to read it. I am a different person and respond in different ways, that is my style and I don't care if people like it or not. I am not being rude and always want to debate a situation, if you have an ANGRY voice in your head when you are reading what I type then thats up to you.
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Reply #41 on: May 12, 2021, 01:46:56 PM
How much common sense and decency is needed to understand that all you have to do is answer OP's very simple question in a constructive way and then move on with your life? Am I living in the twilight zone and the only one who realizes this is crazy stuff? lol
So you think that NOT understanding what it means if notes are lining up vertically is perfectly normal for someone who has played advanced repertoire? Do you really think that it is difficult difficult to understand what vertical notes lining up means? Seriously. Someone who claims they study advanced pieces doesn't know that if notes line up underneath each other it means play together? They think it is deep theory?
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Reply #42 on: May 12, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
Thatís true. I donít know vocabularies about music. Thatís why I canít explain what I thought in my head.
Well you did explain you said you saw the RH is faster than the LH and I asked you to explain why you saw it that way despite the many helping tools that website you got the score gives you to be certain if you were really confused.
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Reply #43 on: May 12, 2021, 01:54:33 PM
So you think that not understanding that if notes line up vertically that means it comes togehter. you think that is difficult to understand? Seriously. Someone who claims they study advanced pieces doesn't know that if notes line up underneath each other it means play together? They think it is deep theory?
Seeing RH and LH are vertical isnít a theory, it is just your eyes. What I said about theory is how to know they are vertical or not in case you are still suspicious about that - which is my case. I can assure that not everyone who sees RH and LH are vertical can explain why it is truely vertical using MUSIC THEORY including you.

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Reply #44 on: May 12, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
Well you did explain you said you saw the RH is faster than the LH and I asked you to explain why you saw it that way despite the many helping tools that website you got the score gives you to be certain if you were really confused.
How the heck can you explain why your eyes saw RH faster than LH?

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Reply #45 on: May 12, 2021, 01:57:12 PM
Seeing RH and LH are vertical isnít a theory, it is just your eyes. What I said about theory is how to know they are vertical or not in case you are still suspicious about that - which is my case. I can assure that not everyone who sees RH and LH are vertical can explain why it is truely vertical using MUSIC THEORY including you.
YOu said it, you just need to use your EYES to see that the notes are underneath each other, there is no deep special music theory needed, it is very elementary knowledge needed for reading sheet music. YOu now say there is THEORY required to understand this? All I said is the theory you need is knowing the note values, that is also VERY ELEMENTARY KNOWLEDGE needed for reading music. ALl these are early beginner skills, your piece is not anywhere near a beginner piece and the pieces you played before also not. So how can you really be confused that notes lining up underneath each other means anything different? How can you see that the RH was faster than the LH? YOu said you saw it in the score but not explaining how you saw it.
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Reply #46 on: May 12, 2021, 01:57:43 PM
How the heck can you explain why your eyes saw RH faster than LH?
You are now changing your story. You first were asking if they are played together not if your eyes see one first before the other. And just seeing one before the other how can that make you think then the RH is played before the LH even though both are written vertically in line with one other?

You also said you have heard the piece but are still not sure, how is that possible when there are countless recordings of this very piece?
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Re: Need helps for Clair De Lune
Reply #47 on: May 12, 2021, 02:06:46 PM
For Godís sake:

PLEASE STOP!!!!!! 

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Reply #48 on: May 12, 2021, 02:09:37 PM
Yes I will stop, I dont care if pianostreet has whatever content now, let it all come.
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Reply #49 on: May 12, 2021, 02:10:39 PM
Look at the image here: https://ibb.co/nBdRwVN
I printed the sheet out and I can see RH is slightly faster where I used my pen to draw a line.
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